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nickpelkey1985

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I just bought a 1949 ford 8n it came with a loader...the loader will fit but i dont have front mounting bracket..there is 2 holes in the loader frame 8 inches apart that must be where it bolts on...im new to the forum any help would be greatly appreciated
 
(quoted from post at 02:45:29 08/12/17) I just bought a 1949 ford 8n it came with a loader...the loader will fit but i dont have front mounting bracket..there is 2 holes in the loader frame 8 inches apart that must be where it bolts on...im new to the forum any help would be greatly appreciated
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You need to tell us what kind of loader it is. Look for a metal tag somewhere on it, usually on the upright frame or the loader arms.
 
(quoted from post at 13:09:14 08/12/17) Iys an older allied loader i cant find a
tag
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A lot of them have been painted over. If you can't find a tag at least post some pics of it.
 
Here is the best pic i got.of it bud
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It sounds as though the part that mounts the loader to the tractor is missing. Not sure if a Allied loader front mount is much the same as a Dearborn loader mount is. Dearborn mounts the front of the loader to the king pin that holds the front axle in place and has holes as the ones described. If the tractor did have the loader mounted on it, the pin and plate should still be on the tractor. One can still be found from several places that deal in older tractors.
 
(quoted from post at 14:11:21 08/12/17) Here is the best pic i got.of it bud
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Was "that" loader ever mounted on "that" tractor? Is there a hydraulic pump mounted on the front of the tractor?
 

Did you ask the person who sold them to you if he had any hardware that went with the loader? As referred to, when some people remove loaders from a tractor, they leave the mounting brackets on the tractor. Ask him what the loader was mounted on.
 
The loader has 2holes in the front lower cross piece where i believe it was mounted...i was looking for a mount like you discribed...the hokes are roughly 8 inches apart
 
(quoted from post at 17:39:39 08/12/17) The loader has 2holes in the front lower cross piece where i believe it was mounted...i was looking for a mount like you discribed...the hokes are roughly 8 inches apart
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[list:2ed5e78281][*:2ed5e78281]Bolt the rear of the loader up to the tractor and support the front with a floor jack. [*:2ed5e78281]Drill a 1/2" hole in a piece of 1/4" plate and bolt it to the front axle support using the axle pin bolt. [*:2ed5e78281]Mark the locations of the holes for the loader attaching bolts[*:2ed5e78281]Remove the plate from the tractor and drill two holes for the loader attaching bolts. [*:2ed5e78281]Reattach the plate to both the loader and tractor. [*:2ed5e78281]Reinforce as appropriate.[/list:u:2ed5e78281]

TOH
 
(quoted from post at 19:04:06 08/12/17)
(quoted from post at 17:39:39 08/12/17) The loader has 2holes in the front lower cross piece where i believe it was mounted...i was looking for a mount like you discribed...the hokes are roughly 8 inches apart
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[list:15bd8fe245][*:15bd8fe245]Bolt the rear of the loader up to the tractor and support the front with a floor jack. [*:15bd8fe245]Drill a 1/2" hole in a piece of 1/4" plate and bolt it to the front axle support using the axle pin bolt. [*:15bd8fe245]Mark the locations of the holes for the loader attaching bolts[*:15bd8fe245]Remove the plate from the tractor and drill two holes for the loader attaching bolts. [*:15bd8fe245]Reattach the plate to both the loader and tractor. [*:15bd8fe245]Reinforce as appropriate.[/list:u:15bd8fe245]

TOH
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Then take it back off until you add power steering to the tractor.
I hate to be the "down" guy, but been there, done that.

That's a nice looking 8N that will be a nimble, working machine.
Until you add that loader and turn it into an unsteerable boat anchor.

Does the front of the engine have the replacement pulley to run
the hydrualic pump? If not, the loader was probably never on that
tractor. If so, then someone took it off for good reasons.
 
(quoted from post at 16:54:12 08/12/17) Hey old hokie do u still make thoes
brackets
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I have an 8N that had a good Davis loader on it when I purchased that tractor about ten years ago and have used it with the box blade and the FEL to take care of my dirt roads to and from my 5 acres in the hills of Nuevo. I have never driven an 8N without a loader on it so I don't know any difference but I can imagine it.

I just got used to using it with the loader on it. It has 6.50 X 16" truck tires on the front so it is manageable. I'm glad I had that loader on it.

I have since purchased a MF202 Workbull with about the same loader on it but it has power steering so I don't use the loader on the 8N for anything any more. The 8N has become my dedicated mowing tractor but I still can't bring myself to take the loader off of it.

People will try to scare you out of a loader on an 8N. Even I have told people that it will transform your nimble little 8N from a gazelle into a slow lumbering water buffalo.

But, as I said you can get used to it so you don't give it a second thought.
 
(quoted from post at 20:10:49 08/12/17)
(quoted from post at 16:54:12 08/12/17) Hey old hokie do u still make thoes
brackets
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I have an 8N that had a good Davis loader on it when I purchased that tractor about ten years ago and have used it with the box blade and the FEL to take care of my dirt roads to and from my 5 acres in the hills of Nuevo. I have never driven an 8N without a loader on it so I don't know any difference but I can imagine it.

I just got used to using it with the loader on it. It has 6.50 X 16" truck tires on the front so it is manageable. I'm glad I had that loader on it.

I have since purchased a MF202 Workbull with about the same loader on it but it has power steering so I don't use the loader on the 8N for anything any more. The 8N has become my dedicated mowing tractor but I still can't bring myself to take the loader off of it.

People will try to scare you out of a loader on an 8N. Even I have told people that it will transform your nimble little 8N from a gazelle into a slow lumbering water buffalo.

But, as I said you can get used to it so you don't give it a second thought.
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Cary, may I ask, if you are not using the loader on the 8N anymore,
presumably because you like the one on the Workbull with the
power steering better, why would you leave the one on the 8N?
It is a lot of extra weight and wear and tear on the front end.
Especially if it is serving no purpose any longer.

I will concede they are far better than a wheelbarrow! ;)

Here's my Jubilee with a loader on it.
I added power steering and plumbed it into the front pump to
provide PS whenever the engine is running. Works pretty well.
I have about 750# of weight hanging off the back, plus loaded
13.6 x 28 tires to hold the rear end down. It has become a
dedicated loader tractor. Not much good for any other purpose.

I need to get some new pictures of it. It's actually been fixed up a bit.

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The 8N used to get some hard use repairing my dirt roads after rains. As I said it is now my dedicated mower tractor. It won't be doing any road work any more. The 202 will be taking care of that.

With 2 tractors now it won't get used like it used to. I have thought about just removing the bucket off of it to remove some weight. When I purchased the 202, it came with a front bucket and a fork assembly. I took the forks off of it and put the bucket on it since it has a front end built for a loader. It's the industrial version of the MF35.

I might just put the forks on the 8N. They might come in handy. Here is the 202 when it had the forks on it. I don't really have any use for a forklift but who knows, they might some in handy for something some day.

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Hey old hokie...u mentioned about building that plate for the loader but how do i replace the king pin and how long is the king pin..thanks
 
(quoted from post at 13:19:05 08/13/17) Hey old hokie...u mentioned about building that plate for the loader but how do i replace the king pin and how long is the king pin..thanks
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You don't need the kingpin part if you "reinforce as needed". If you want to add the kingpin the OD is 1.749/1.748 and the length is 4.000" for the 8N and 4.250" for the 9N/2N. That does not include any additional length needed for the plate or to clear the rivets on the 9N/2N axle supports.

TOH
 
How would u reenforce that piece..im
confused where it would mount solid
allowing the axel to pivot
 
(quoted from post at 07:21:32 08/14/17) How would u reenforce that piece..im
confused where it would mount solid
allowing the axel to pivot
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The axle is separate from the loader attachment and simply pivots on the OEM pin.

Wagner switched to the bottom bracket in this picture when the 8N arrived on the scene. It as three attaching points in the center and the dogleg bolts on the outer end of the radiator support. It doesn't have to be a single formed piece - a couple short lengths of angle welded to a center plate to make the ears will work just as well.

TOH

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So i cant just hang the loader from
the king pin mount u designed
 
(quoted from post at 07:41:31 08/14/17) So i cant just hang the loader from
the king pin mount u designed
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As I have said numerous times - I have sold the last of the plates that I had cut. I can make you a pin if you want to make your own plate and weld the pin into it.

TOH
 
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