Marker Dye for Roundup

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have a number of acres I need to spot spray with roundup. want to make sure I cover it all but not double cover. any suggestions on what to use for a dye so I have a good marker of what I've already done? thanks as always.
 
Atwoods and others have water base dye that you can mix in with your spray . It is expensive at $20 for a 32oz bottle . The green at 1oz to 10 gallons with a boom sprayer made a light tint but was hard to keep up with . I mixed 6 oz in my 12 gallon spot sprayer with glyphosate for the thistles and could easily tell which ones were sprayed .

I thought the red might work better but it is 2 or 3 times weaker than the green . It lasts for 24 - 48 hours or a heavy rain then it is completely gone .

I buy a mix that has 2-4d & Picloram in it and you can see the broad leaf weeds wilting in a few hours . It still takes a week to ten days for them to turn yellow but the grass looks great . It is not toxic to mammals .
 
It is not toxic to mammals! ,Yeh right Kills fish like crazy,contaminates water supplies ground water and wells. Keep workers away from sprayed areas for at least 48 hrs.Keep lactating animals away for 7 days.
I don't think I would use it for a mixer for my favorite whiskey.
 
What are you using to spray with -an N??? How many acres? I'd rig up a marker arm so you can leave a witness mark. Tractor needs to be 12 volt, as I have not ever seen a 6-volt sprayer. Round Up isn't cheap, and you want to spend more for a dye? You must have deep pockets...

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(quoted from post at 21:54:16 05/22/17) It is not toxic to mammals! ,Yeh right Kills fish like crazy,contaminates water supplies ground water and wells. Keep workers away from sprayed areas for at least 48 hrs.Keep lactating animals away for 7 days.
I don't think I would use it for a mixer for my favorite whiskey.

You are correct , caution should be used . I would advise anyone to read the label and do their own research before using spraying chemicals and how it may affect them and their environment .

We have not sprayed anything on these fields in 30 years and the wells are 500' away . Picloram works well , but with anything you do not want to misuse / overuse . The 2-4D &amp; Picloram is not absorbed in fatty tissue and is mostly passed out in the urine IF it is ingested by your cattle . Cattle may become nauseated if too much is ingested . Milk cows should stay off for 7 days and there is a time for cutting hay too . A responsible applicator would not spray on a windy day , near a pond , or overuse the product .

Glyphosate may be sprayed into ponds to kill vegetation but NOT Roundup because of the suficant used in Roundup to bind the glyphosate to the plant will suffocate aquatic animals . Again , read about the product you have .

Pesticides , Herbicides , Laxatives , and Whiskey all work well unless the applicator applies too little or too much . Special attention should be given to the surrounding environment before proceeding with the application .
 
...... I'd rig up a marker arm so you can leave a witness mark....

.... Round Up isn't cheap, and you want to spend more for a dye? .....

I wired a T Post to the three point and used it to drag a line . It worked well for the first mile . I think I will use a single disk or some type of a wheel welded to my frame . Your tire tracks work well in the morning but do not help later in the day . I had a small area that was square and fenced in so I stepped off and tied flagging tape to the fence to give me a visual to aim for , worked so - so .

A 2-1/2 gallon jug of 41% Glyphosate ($40) and a 1 gallon bottle of Suficant ($10) will make 300 gallons of full strength spray at .20 cents a gallon .

Tractor supply has glyphosate under a few labels , 1 qt - 2-1/2 gal , you want the 41% . If it says "Roundup" it will be expensive . Dawn soap at 1 oz to 1 gallon of spray also works well to help keep the spray from beading up and rolling off of the leaves .
 

Den,

Have you heard about this in Oregon; roundup essentially being used as a weapon under the typical pretense of good intentions.
Azure Farms
 
wasn't totally clear. wooded acreage with spot infestations of garlic mustard. infestations vary from a few plants to several thousand. have to use a handheld spray; not tractor accessible. hope that clears the situation up some.

my pockets are just as shallow as the next guys. using the generic not the name brand. roundup is a more recognized name than like say cornerstone or buccaneer.

because of the lack of deep pockets is WHY I want to avoid double spraying some spots.
 
I would like to hear the other side of the noxious weed story before I took that website seriously.
I am on the board of a Soil and Water Conservation District and am well versed in noxious weed
problems. Too often the infestation spreads from a site where the owners don't want to use
pesticides, but also won't control the weeds by other methods.

It sounds like the County is fed up with the destruction caused by noxious weeds.

If you don't want to use pesticides, control the problem with hand labor. Otherwise, you are doing
damage to your neighbors.
 
(quoted from post at 09:06:05 05/23/17)
Den,

Have you heard about this in Oregon; roundup essentially being used as a weapon under the typical pretense of good intentions.
Azure Farms
I hear that they reach an agreement where Azure will control the weeds without spraying, but if it does not work them they will get sprayed.
the link is a lot of misstatements and fearmongering.
 
(quoted from post at 14:04:07 05/23/17)
(quoted from post at 09:06:05 05/23/17)
Den,

Have you heard about this in Oregon; roundup essentially being used as a weapon under the typical pretense of good intentions.
Azure Farms
I hear that they reach an agreement where Azure will control the weeds without spraying, but if it does not work them they will get sprayed.
the link is a lot of misstatements and fearmongering.

Sorry if it was overboard but I just went for the first link that came up in a search (never been there before) because I had heard of the story. It would destroy the organic classification of that farm. If you care, find another link. Look into Agenda 21 and it won't seem like such fear mongering anyway.

Heard this morning that in California the "Poison" classification has just become required on the Roundup packaging.

I'm glad they seem to be cutting them some slack, but it took a concerted fight. Reminds me the story of a Washington farmer family documentary I saw. They practically lost
everything, fighting Monsanto because GMO seeds owned by Monsanto had drifted into their fields.

I know, it's all just a bunch of conspiracy theories propagated by fools like me. But I didn't switch to eating nothing but naturally grown foods in 1971 without good reason.:D

Cheers,
Terry
 
On the spreading of patented seed onto other lands, it would be the party that spread the seed that
would be liable. The "victim" would be the one due damages, just as if it was drift from spraying.

If the "victim" did not intentionally plant the patented seed, there would be no liability to the
patent holder. That never should have reached the courthouse as a lawsuit by the patent holder.
 
I hear that they reach an agreement where Azure will control the weeds without spraying, but if it does not work them they will get sprayed.

I was across the road at my neighbors house (20 acres) . We went in his back pasture (5 acres) to check the cows / pasture / fence / etc .

He told me his was fighting Bull Thistle , some call it Purple Thistle . To his east there is a 100 acre field that was cleared and bulldozed 5 or 6 years ago . Now it gets cut for hay . A few acres by the property line is wet most of the year and does not get much attention . It has let 1000's of thistles grow 3' tall with 100's of fluffy seeds blowing everywhere .

Months ago I went down to my big pond and noticed a couple dozen Bull Thistles so I kicked them breaking them over , I came back a few weeks later and found most had just grown crooked and still seeded out :(

I have read that these thistles grow the first year as a root that stores energy . The second year it grows like it has a turbo charger out growing the plants that only use photosynthesis .

Noxious weeds are usually very prolific and you would have to mow weekly , plow / till , or spray to control them .

For my neighbor to have a usable pasture he will have to spray a few times a year , every year . I am all for spraying in moderation but this case is sad .
 
(quoted from post at 18:21:19 05/23/17)Reminds me the story of a Washington farmer family documentary I saw. They practically lost everything, fighting Monsanto because GMO seeds owned by Monsanto had drifted into their fields.

Got a link? Or even a title for this documentary? It's difficult to find this when the only description is "Washington farmer family documentary".
 
(quoted from post at 18:21:19 05/23/17)
Reminds me the story of a Washington farmer family documentary I saw. They practically lost everything, fighting Monsanto because GMO seeds owned by Monsanto had drifted into their fields.
This sounds a lot like the Percy Schmeiser case from Canada. Perhaps the documentary you saw was titled "David Versus Monsanto"?

Monsanto responds to the documentary here with links to the court records. Three separate Canadian courts decided that Schmeiser intentionally infringed on the Monsanto patents. The Canadian Supreme Court said:
Mr. Schmeiser complained that the original plants came onto his land without his intervention. However, he did not at all explain why he sprayed Roundup to isolate the Roundup Ready plants he found on his land; why he then harvested the plants and segregated the seeds, saved them, and kept them for seed; why he planted them; and why, through his husbandry, he ended up with 1,030 acres of Roundup Ready canola which would have cost him $15,000.
That is a tad different from the story presented in the documentary or in Mr. Schmeiser's public appearances.
 
That is a tad different from the story presented in the documentary or in Mr. Schmeiser's public appearances.[/quote]/url]

"WASHINGTON FARMERS FIGHT MONSANTO OVER GMO SEED"

. . . and I'll get out of your hair :)
Terry
 

i tried searching for that, and google told me to turn my dang caps lock off ;)

no, i'm just kidding. like i'd use google to begin with :lol:

more seriously, tho, i have, as far as i know, three species of thistle here.

the first are sow thistles. i actually don't mind them at all, for 2 reasons. first is that while i think they technically do have thorns, they are so soft that i have no problems grabbing them barehanded. second is that they pull out of the ground very easily, so they are easy to manage around the house.

next come canada thistles. these things suck. for some strange reason, i'm told that in canada, they are just called thistles :D i won't try to pull these bad boys barehanded.

but WAY worse than canada thistles are bull thistles. and ya, it's a 2 year life cycle on them. those &lt;illegitimate children&gt; will put their spines thru heavy shirts, even jeans, without blinking an eye.

i don't farm, so the place thistles concern me is in the 7 or 8 acres of high ground i maintain as lawn and semi-lawn. they are one of the only 2 plants i'll use roundup on, as i studied a lot of chemistry as a student, and generally speaking, i try to avoid insecticides and herbicides like the plague. the only other plant i'll use roundup on is poison ivy.

as far as this thing in oregon goes, i don't have an opinion on how things should proceed, but i'll say this much. i have a lot of sympathy for people who live next to uncontrolled fields of canada or bull thistles. i have a similar situation here, on a much lesser scale - i have unoccupied properties to my west, and both canada and bull thistles grow there in abundance. i try to at least keep the bull thistles down, but it's a never ending war because every year, countless new seeds blow in from there.
 
i don't farm, so the place thistles concern me is in the 7 or 8 acres of high ground i maintain as lawn and semi-lawn. they are one of the only 2 plants i'll use roundup on, as i studied a lot of chemistry as a student, and generally speaking, i try to avoid insecticides and herbicides like the plague.

2-4D broad leaf herbicide will control thistles the first year when they are rosettes without damaging the grass .
 
(quoted from post at 15:00:05 05/24/17)
i don't farm, so the place thistles concern me is in the 7 or 8 acres of high ground i maintain as lawn and semi-lawn. they are one of the only 2 plants i'll use roundup on, as i studied a lot of chemistry as a student, and generally speaking, i try to avoid insecticides and herbicides like the plague.

2-4D broad leaf herbicide will control thistles the first year when they are rosettes without damaging the grass .

i don't actually mind the ones in the lawn itself much, as i mow often enough that they won't ever make it to seed. the ones that bother me are the ones at the edges of where i mow, or anywhere else off the mowed areas where i might walk. is 2-4-D considered less toxic (for humans and animals) than roundup? whatever i use will only be used in targeted spot treatment.
 

ps: i should have added that i would never spray my lawn with a broadleaf weed killer, since that would wipe out half of my lawn :lol: :oops:
 
2-4-D considered less toxic (for humans and animals) than roundup? whatever i use will only be used in targeted spot treatment.

2-4D may make a mammal nauseous if consumed which is probably about the same level as glyphoste , but on the low end of the toxic scale when used as directed . Most weed killers are not good for aquatic animals .

I sprayed thistles with Round Up (generic) and it left big deal spots in the grass , but I would gladly do it again since they were already 2' tall :twisted:

Some of the areas in the pasture sprayed with 2-4D lost 80% of green growth and look ugly . The grass that is there is coming on strong since it is not competing for nutrients and sunshine . Should look and taste great next year and hopefully the cows will taste great the year after :wink:
 
(quoted from post at 11:23:02 05/24/17)Simply type this into Google and be done with it.
Try typing the same into this search engine as well: http://www.startpage.com

"WASHINGTON FARMERS FIGHT MONSANTO OVER GMO SEED"

. . . and I'll get out of your hair :)
Terry

I get about the same results from startpage regardless of having the quotes or not. Google will show me very few results if I keep the quotes. If I remove the quotes, Google gives me about the same results as startpage. If I understand correctly, Google takes the quotes as an instruction that the search results must contain exactly that phrase, while startpage still searches for the individual words in the phrase.

Do I think Monsanto is without blame? Absolutely not.

But I don't believe everything I hear from either side without looking into it further.
 
We have some great news to share with you.

Tonight we had a very productive meeting with the county commission and weed board officials in Moro, Sherman County, Oregon. Here is David Stelzer's message recorded just moments after the meeting ended.

First, we would like to thank our loyal supporters for helping to spread the word and for voicing your concerns about the threat we faced. Sherman County reportedly received over 40,000 emails to date about the matter. You helped to open up a whole new level of debate about organic farming, and about the benefits of clean, healthy food.

Thank you.

The county commission has now agreed to work with us on a proper weed plan that does not include the use of toxic chemicals, and we would like to thank them for their level-headed approach to working together with Azure Farm.

There are still a couple of meetings we will have with the county officials to work out the final implementation of this plan but we are now very optimistic that this will work out in a good way for all concerned.

Thank you for your support!

Sincerely,

David Cross
Director of Marketing
?and everyone at Azure Farm and Azure Standard
 
Jim,

Sorry about that but it was about four years ago that I watched the story of the family's battle so i can't remember the video title. But there over a hundred similar battles really and many vids.

Try opening a Tube video and using the search frame there.

Here's a video you might like with several farmers speaking, some while in their big tractor cabs working the fields:
Monsanto vs Farmers
Farmers

When you're there . . .over on the right you'll see another video no doubt worthy of a discerning farmers attention.
"Farmers speak out: GMOs are a trap . . .

Here's one I just watched a bit of that looks worthwhile
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Cheers,
Terry
 

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