dhammel

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Does anyone know if there is a PTO shaft guard available for 2N ? Most tractors have a cowling guard over / around the shaft. I have looked through part for Fords and have not found one.
 
A couple of thoughts:
First, get rid of those hazardous orcs on the pto shaft that you have to use a roll pin to attach and go to a quick release type orc. Then take the orc off when you're done using it and screw the pto cover on. Second, most implement shafts do come with a shaft guard on it. But those are brand specific and not universal.
Some guys slip.a piece of plastic drain pipe over the drive shaft and I hear that works pretty well. See the short piece of the stuff in the photo.
Lastly, you might consider a newer tractor that has live hydraulics so you don't have to have the pto on to use the 3 point.
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I think one of the first things you need for your pto shaft is an over riding clutch.

if the cutter is running and you push in on the clutch, the centrifugal motion of the blades turning will continue to turn the pto shaft and push the tractor forward.
this safety item will allow you to push in on the clutch and stop your tractor.

otherwise you can run into a gate, post or off into a big ditch.
((((number one safety item to buy if you do not have one))))
just my two cents.
 
I have the clutch installed. I'm just looking for some kind of cowling like John Deere or Farmalls have.
 

what u are looking for is not part of the tractor, it is part of the implement involved. i am not sure why u think deere and farmall provide protection for an implement's drive shaft, unless they manufactured the implement themselves.
 

I had one on my brush hog and took it off, made it too hard to grease the bearing. Like others have said check with implement maker.
 
Sorry - I wasn't clear - I was looking a PTO shield or cowling attached to the tractor not the implement. See photo -
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Look on ebay
I saw this listing, but they have others, this one says it fits a TO20 ferguson, but might be the same a small ford.
$75.00 even has a part number


Ferguson Tractor pto guard shield for pto extension 181289M91 TO20 TO30 Ford 8n

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ferguson-Tractor-pto-guard-shield-for-pto-extension-181289M91-TO20-TO30-Ford-8n/332145676365
 
(quoted from post at 15:47:10 04/03/17) Look on ebay
I saw this listing, but they have others, this one says it fits a TO20 ferguson, but might be the same a small ford.
$75.00 even has a part number


Ferguson Tractor pto guard shield for pto extension 181289M91 TO20 TO30 Ford 8n

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ferguson-Tractor-pto-guard-shield-for-pto-extension-181289M91-TO20-TO30-Ford-8n/332145676365

Close but as I read the description it only works with PTO extensions - won't work as is with a normal shaft. Perhaps one could look at the pictures and make one that will :idea:

TOH
 
(quoted from post at 17:05:32 04/03/17) Perhaps one could look at the pictures and make one that will :idea:

TOH

i was thinking the same thing the moment i saw "some modification will be required."
 
I spoke with Dave at Vermont Tractor - he mentioned that he heard that these shields were on the original 9N's - like they were on Ferguson models - but dealers and owners kept removing them because they were in the way of connecting to the PTO (originally with a through pin). Therefore Ford discontinued them during the war on the 2N and beyond.

Not sure of the historical accuracy of all this - but it is odd that Farmall / John Deere / Case etc. all had shields and Fords do not.
 
(quoted from post at 09:40:07 04/04/17) I spoke with Dave at Vermont Tractor - he mentioned that he heard that these shields were on the original 9N's - like they were on Ferguson models - but dealers and owners kept removing them because they were in the way of connecting to the PTO (originally with a through pin). Therefore Ford discontinued them during the war on the 2N and beyond.

Not sure of the historical accuracy of all this - but it is odd that Farmall / John Deere / Case etc. all had shields and Fords do not.

That would be news to most people here and if they were available they never made it into any of the parts catalogs. What is in the catalog and did come with the tractor is a screw on cap to cover the PTO when it is not in use.

TOH
 
(quoted from post at 12:08:33 04/03/17) Sorry - I wasn't clear - I was looking a PTO shield or cowling attached to the tractor not the implement. See photo -
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I don't see much use in that thing since you still have the whole implement drive shaft sticking out from it.

As was suggested, use a quick connect ORC that you can remove easily and place the regular PTO cap over the shaft.

There is still a lot of question whether or not some of the 1 1/8" PTO shafts had a ring ground into them to accept a quick connect.

If yours doesn't have the groove, do like I did and replace your shaft with a 1 3/8" shaft which will have the groove. The whole replacement shaft is not that expensive and very easy to install.
 
Forgot one more thing. The small screw on PTO caps completely protect the shaft from any weather when not using it.
 
(quoted from post at 14:02:46 04/04/17)

I don't see much use in that thing since you still have the whole implement drive shaft sticking out from it.

the other thing i wondered about is the need for such a shield on an N, a tractor u get on from the side. the only time i'd be near it is when i'm off the tractor - but while i don't have an ORC on my N, the advice to never get off the tractor with the PTO engaged is something i take very seriously.
 
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(quoted from post at 14:02:46 04/04/17)

I don't see much use in that thing since you still have the whole implement drive shaft sticking out from it.

the other thing i wondered about is the need for such a shield on an N, a tractor u get on from the side. the only time i'd be near it is when i'm off the tractor - but while i don't have an ORC on my N, the advice to never get off the tractor with the PTO engaged is something i take very seriously.

I don't know why you don't have an ORC on you N. But if you run any implements off that PTO shaft, it's a good thing to have.

Not only does it keep the implement from driving your tractor forward when you push in the clutch, it enables you to switch gears without waiting for the implement shaft to spin down and stop turning. This is good when shifting from forward to reverse or back again. It just makes things easier.
 
(quoted from post at 13:02:46 04/04/17)

I don't see much use in that thing since you still have the whole implement drive shaft sticking out from it.

They are standard equipment (possibly now OSHA mandated) on every modern tractor I have ever looked at. The purpose is to act as a rotating equipment shield when there is nothing connected to the tractor PTO. Modern PTO shafts for equipment have their own (OSHA mandated) shield which typically fastens to the tractor's shield to prevent it from rotating.

In the case of an N-series with an ORC installed I think such a bolt on shield would be an excellent substitute for the OEM screw on cap which will no longer fit. Now that I have thought about it I may just have to make one for my 8N....

TOH
 

i understand the purpose of an ORC. i don't have one for several reasons:

[list:0d3535902a]the only implement this tractor uses is a finish mower, which does not push it much.

i don't shift from forward to reverse when i'm mowing my lawn, as i am never mowing toward an unavoidable obstacle. there's either nothing in front of me, or it's something i simply steer around.

the geometry of my finish mower with the N is such that if i lengthen that drive line by an angstrom ;) i will no longer be able to connect or disconnect the driveshaft with the mower attached to the tractor.[/list:u:0d3535902a]

my brush hog weighs close to half of what the N weighs, i'd bet. i cannot lift the hog with the N's hydraulics, as the cutter doesn't budge and the front of the N comes off the ground. since i have another tractor which is heavier, has live hydraulics, and is not pushed by spinning implements, the first time i hooked that brush hog up to the N was also the last time.
 
(quoted from post at 12:49:34 04/04/17)
(quoted from post at 13:02:46 04/04/17)

I don't see much use in that thing since you still have the whole implement drive shaft sticking out from it.

They are standard equipment (possibly now OSHA mandated) on every modern tractor I have ever looked at. The purpose is to act as a rotating equipment shield when there is nothing connected to the tractor PTO. Modern PTO shafts for equipment have their own (OSHA mandated) shield which typically fastens to the tractor's shield to prevent it from rotating.

[color=red:b6dc0781c6][b:b6dc0781c6]In the case of an N-series with an ORC installed I think such a bolt on shield would be an excellent substitute for the OEM screw on cap which will no longer fit.[/b:b6dc0781c6][/color:b6dc0781c6] Now that I have thought about it I may just have to make one for my 8N....

TOH

I guess you didn't read my post. That's why I suggested using a quick connect ORC so you can easily remove it and replace the cap.
 
it would be simple enough to fab one out of a piece of tin, in the garage just form a u, mark out the tabs to that the tabs will attach to the bolts that hold the pto shaft into the back of the tractor, make the tabs long enough, so the "u" is large enough so you can reach in and attach a implement shaft, then cut the excess metal away from the tabs and bend them 90 degrees, drill your holes and paint if desired, its better than nothing , since the n needs the shaft running to use its lift, now if you mean the implement shaft itself, it gets a little tricky, the only thing may be 2 pieces of pvc pipe that will slide into each other, but the best thing is keep people away from the tractor when its being used
 
it may be ok if the tractor is only using a single powered impliment most of the time, i took the ones off both my deeres , as they were making it hard to quickly change out the implements when we,re busy and many different things are needed, we just make real sure to stay away from a spinning shaft, and not to wear any loose clothing necklaces ect that the shafts might grab, never thought about weather those could be modifyed to fit a ford, ill look, when i find one of em, my jube should have basically the same bolt pattern
 
(quoted from post at 17:13:10 04/04/17)
(quoted from post at 12:49:34 04/04/17)
(quoted from post at 13:02:46 04/04/17)

I don't see much use in that thing since you still have the whole implement drive shaft sticking out from it.

They are standard equipment (possibly now OSHA mandated) on every modern tractor I have ever looked at. The purpose is to act as a rotating equipment shield when there is nothing connected to the tractor PTO. Modern PTO shafts for equipment have their own (OSHA mandated) shield which typically fastens to the tractor's shield to prevent it from rotating.

[color=red:e87c58f83b][b:e87c58f83b]In the case of an N-series with an ORC installed I think such a bolt on shield would be an excellent substitute for the OEM screw on cap which will no longer fit.[/b:e87c58f83b][/color:e87c58f83b] Now that I have thought about it I may just have to make one for my 8N....

TOH

I guess you didn't read my post. That's why I suggested using a quick connect ORC so you can easily remove it and replace the cap.

I read it. I was simply explaining the reason for the shield on any tractor and mentioned the ORC issue in passing. The simple fact is lot''s of people do not have a removable ORC, don't see any real value in the added cost, and have no desire to futz with the cap. I am one of those people and the idea of a simple shop made shield that covers all of the issues strikes me as being a better and less expensive mousetrap.

TOH
 
(quoted from post at 14:56:49 04/04/17)
(quoted from post at 17:13:10 04/04/17)
(quoted from post at 12:49:34 04/04/17)
(quoted from post at 13:02:46 04/04/17)

I don't see much use in that thing since you still have the whole implement drive shaft sticking out from it.

They are standard equipment (possibly now OSHA mandated) on every modern tractor I have ever looked at. The purpose is to act as a rotating equipment shield when there is nothing connected to the tractor PTO. Modern PTO shafts for equipment have their own (OSHA mandated) shield which typically fastens to the tractor's shield to prevent it from rotating.

[color=red:76cc72d844][b:76cc72d844]In the case of an N-series with an ORC installed I think such a bolt on shield would be an excellent substitute for the OEM screw on cap which will no longer fit.[/b:76cc72d844][/color:76cc72d844] Now that I have thought about it I may just have to make one for my 8N....

TOH

I guess you didn't read my post. That's why I suggested using a quick connect ORC so you can easily remove it and replace the cap.

I read it. I was simply explaining the reason for the shield on any tractor and mentioned the ORC issue in passing. The simple fact is lot''s of people do not have a removable ORC, don't see any real value in the added cost, and have no desire to futz with the cap. I am one of those people and the idea of a simple shop made shield that covers all of the issues strikes me as being a better and less expensive mousetrap.

TOH

Yeah...it's a lot of work removing that ORC and putting on the cap! Just kidding you. You have your ways and I have mine. :wink:
 
Ok,
I am pretty sure the back end of an N is about the same as a 3000.
I could get you some measurements if you'd like.
Anyway, looking at the New Holland website it looks like that pto guard for a 3000 is still available. So tell your dealer you'd like a new one. I have no idea what one would cost.
I used to have a couple of NOS ones for a 3000 but I must have sold them as I cant find them now.
There was a bracket that bolted on with the bolts for the check chain brackets. And the guard/cover just clipped on and was held in place by an ordinary lynch pin like you use on your implements.
Made it quick and easy to put on and take off.
Of course if you bought a new one it would be painted Blue. But you could solve the mismatch by painting the rest of your tractor blue :)
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OK so you do not have an ORC attached? Yes, there was a standard PTO cover issued on every new tractor that screwed into the PTO shaft housing. Many were removed and placed on shelves in barns and tractor sheds where some still set and collect dust. The spinning PTO shaft will cause severe damage to you or anything it contacts when spinning. That's why Ford put that safety feature on. When not using a PTO driven implement, it should be used. I keep mine in my tractor toolbox so when I swap out the plow for the mower, I have it handy to install. The 9N and 2N tractor models used a cast iron cap, but I can't find a picture to post for you. Used originals pop up on fleabay often. The 8Ncap was slightly different, stamped steel unit. However, new caps are available from most Ford Tractor Parts Suppliers that will fit 9N.2N,8N, and NAA models. They look like the one pictured on far left in picture below. Ask for part number 2N 726.

Shown- aftermarket 2N-726 cap; 8N cap; Spline adaptor; 8N PTO Shaft:
PTOShaftcaps.jpg
 
Or just a toilet floor-flange & some PVC and cover the PTO/ORC and all. Shamelessly stolen pictures:

 
(quoted from post at 15:13:10 04/04/17)
(quoted from post at 12:49:34 04/04/17)
(quoted from post at 13:02:46 04/04/17)

I don't see much use in that thing since you still have the whole implement drive shaft sticking out from it.

They are standard equipment (possibly now OSHA mandated) on every modern tractor I have ever looked at. The purpose is to act as a rotating equipment shield when there is nothing connected to the tractor PTO. Modern PTO shafts for equipment have their own (OSHA mandated) shield which typically fastens to the tractor's shield to prevent it from rotating.

[color=red:8b860c8030][b:8b860c8030]In the case of an N-series with an ORC installed I think such a bolt on shield would be an excellent substitute for the OEM screw on cap which will no longer fit.[/b:8b860c8030][/color:8b860c8030] Now that I have thought about it I may just have to make one for my 8N....

TOH

I guess you didn't read my post. That's why I suggested using a quick connect ORC so you can easily remove it and replace the cap.

A quick connect ORC miight be ok, if the shaft was made for one. Neither of mine are.
 
(quoted from post at 17:13:30 04/06/17)

A quick connect ORC miight be ok, if the shaft was made for one. Neither of mine are.

are both of yours the 1.125" shaft?

Shamelessly stolen pictures

shamelessly is the only way to go :)
 
(quoted from post at 13:13:30 04/06/17)
(quoted from post at 15:13:10 04/04/17)
(quoted from post at 12:49:34 04/04/17)
(quoted from post at 13:02:46 04/04/17)

I don't see much use in that thing since you still have the whole implement drive shaft sticking out from it.

They are standard equipment (possibly now OSHA mandated) on every modern tractor I have ever looked at. The purpose is to act as a rotating equipment shield when there is nothing connected to the tractor PTO. Modern PTO shafts for equipment have their own (OSHA mandated) shield which typically fastens to the tractor's shield to prevent it from rotating.

[color=red:0e6971048a][b:0e6971048a]In the case of an N-series with an ORC installed I think such a bolt on shield would be an excellent substitute for the OEM screw on cap which will no longer fit.[/b:0e6971048a][/color:0e6971048a] Now that I have thought about it I may just have to make one for my 8N....

TOH

I guess you didn't read my post. That's why I suggested using a quick connect ORC so you can easily remove it and replace the cap.

A quick connect ORC miight be ok, if the shaft was made for one. Neither of mine are.

A complete 1 3/8" conversion shaft can be purchased from this site for $71.69. The price of a new shaft with new seals and everything else is well worth the convenience it gives me. Sometimes you just have to bite the bullet. The new shafts even come with a cap on them.
 
(quoted from post at 19:59:18 04/06/17)
(quoted from post at 15:22:18 04/06/17)
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Mine works just great for me.

Mine wasn't broke, I just made it better.

thing is, when u replace the PTO shaft with the bigger one, u now have to mess with any implements that [i:df850b8741]used to[/i:df850b8741] fit ;)
 
(quoted from post at 20:48:04 04/06/17)
(quoted from post at 19:59:18 04/06/17)
(quoted from post at 15:22:18 04/06/17)
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Mine works just great for me.

Mine wasn't broke, I just made it better.

thing is, when u replace the PTO shaft with the bigger one, u now have to mess with any implements that [i:98a58ff027]used to[/i:98a58ff027] fit ;)

No I didn't. The old pin on ORC had a 1 3/8" male shaft on it. Before I put the ORC on it, the the PTO shaft had a 1 3/8" adapter on it.
 

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