3pt or tow behind plow

I have no clue. I have an 8N and I'm looking to break sod to make a food plot. Is it best to get a 3pt 2 or 3 bottom plow or save some money and get a tow behind plow and figure out a way to hook it up. The tow behind plows are one, two or three hundred less than the 3pt so ....

I'm clueless so slap with with some knowledge, please and thank you.
 
Yes,
Buy a 3 point plow.
All those old Farmalls, Deeres and other
brands that used trailer plows weighed a
thousand or 1500 lbs more than an N and
could pull those plows.
The beauty of the Ferguson System is that
the plow transfers a significant amount of
weight to the rear of the tractor so that
lightweight, nimble little Ford will pull
more plow than a heavier tractor and trailer
plow.
 

It is against the law anywhere to pull a tow behind plow behind an BN. The ability to lift and maintain proper draft of a plow is what makes the 8N
 
8N - 1 or 2 bottom 3 point plow, depending on soil.
In my clay here I can pull two 12" bottoms with ballast.
In sandy areas two 14" bottoms work well too.
A single 16 also works for me here.

You might be able to pull a single 14" trailer with an 8N.
Here's the killer for me though. Since the 8N has no external
hydraulics, that trailer plow would have to be a trip-lift style.
That lift is driven off the movement of the wheels to lift.
If you hook a root or a rock and can't move forward, it doesn't
lift. You have to try to push it backwards to free it first.
I spent a couple years working for a guy with one of those.
It was the only time I can remember not enjoying plowing.
 
I did a lot of plowing with a track machine pulling three 16's. Trip plow worked great. Plowed with 2-14's on three point behind a grey machine. worked great.

I may pick up a 3 point for my 8n one of these years just for the fun of it. Around here you see a lot of old 2 bottom trip plows but would never consider pulling one of them with my 8n tho.
I have never heard of any law that said it was illegal to do so tho. Sounds like something a city slicker would think up.
 
Thank you all for the input. Makes sense the best way to go is three point and that against the law to tow a plow sure doesn't make sense. Sounds more like some bizarre urban legend. I figured the 8N would work best with the 3pt and that sure seems to be the consises.

Not looking to reinvent anything just trying to figure out my options for ways to make the little 8N usable and any way I can save a dollar trying to get it up and running.
 
"any way I can save a dollar trying to get it up and running."

The frugal man spends the most.
You're doing right. Research the options, research parts support.
If you can't find parts for it you won't get much use out of it.
Then you would have to buy another one.
 
I think there may have been just a little sarcasm
meant by it being it against the law pulling a
trailer plow with an 8N. You wouldn't be happy
trying that. I will add to the vote for 3point.
 
I have to say that the idea of a three point with the drift controls make a whole lot more sense and justify the expense of the three point over the tow behind.

Being a tractor virgin I just wanted to ask to make sure I wasn't missing out on something.
Thank you for your expertise and knowledge.

I do have a WH lawn tractor with a tiller. What would you recommend for accessories for the 8N for a 2 acre food plot where most of it is overgrown weeds ??

I'm presently shopping for a back blade, rear scoop, tiller but it's rare they pop up on craigslist and snow blower.
 
As others have said find yourself a 3pt plow. If you can find one of these it can be used for roughing up food plots. It works great for scratching up the surface. The
3pt implements will also work better in tight areas. With a trailer plow you will need more room to turn around. Plus with the N tractor draft control plowing is what
it was meant to do.

Kir4k
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what type of soil? our place in upstate PA is so rocky I would never consider a plow. currently I pull a "scratcher" with my ATV to loosen up the dirt, then seed. things grow nicely.
 
Do not consider a PTO driven tiller for your 8N. The ground speed is much too fast.

Dean
 
Rod,

Showcrop showed me the law.

"Under the 8N oath, section 3, paragraph 18, any user of a pull-behind plow must be destroyed at once." :D

T
 
(quoted from post at 10:51:23 03/29/17) Rod,

Showcrop showed me the law.

"Under the 8N oath, section 3, paragraph 18, any user of a pull-behind plow must be destroyed at once." :D

T

Actually I believe that the penalty is tarring and feathering and banned from owning any Ford tractors for the rest of their life.
 
By all means get a lift type implement -that is why they invented the thing. Most pull behind implements are yard art these days, but not all. Any early Ferguson-Sherman to me is worth having in my collection just to have. I recently found and purchased an original Roderick-Lean 2-bottom plow, the one that Harry Ferguson sold and used on the Fordson Tractor utilizing the Duplex Hitch design and just prior to him developing the 3-point lift system. Anyway, since you're a newbie, be sure to get the essential manuals needed to be an N-owner. At least invest in the I&T F-04 Manual; it has most all of the major systems explained in a how-to remove and repair format as well a numerous sketches and diagrams from original parts manual. The next must-have is a copy of the original 8N Operator's Manual but get the one that is right for your model year -you don't tell us what year it is. Do you know where to look for the serial number? Early 8Ns used the front mount distributor, later ones used the side mount distributor. It matters as each manual only details one or the other. ALL 8N manuals have a chapter on plowing as well and how to set up and use the Dearborn Plow. The next important manual to own is a copy of the 39-53 MPC (Master Parts Catalog)as it has all the parts and diagrams spelled out in detail. You will need more than just a plow though to work the ground for planting a seed bed. Now, if the ground hasn't been worked in years, plowing will help get it ready but you'll need to disc it and maybe more after that. For food plots and gardens, a cultivator will work to loosen the ground too as Kirk shows below. Once the ground has been worked and planted and you intend to do it every year, twice is best -spring and fall, then you won't have a need to plow every time. Simply run a disc harrow or a cultivator to mulch under growth and prep for the next planting. Here's what I do now that I have plowed gardens and food plots all over the state. Each spring I run my Dearborn Disc Harrow and/or Dearborn Spring Shank Cultivator to mulch under the previous winter plantings which is usually rye, wheat, rape, clover, and other brassicas. Then I run my Dearborn Spring Tooth Drag to level off ground better and leave nice straight mini-furrows. Next, I use a standard Scotts Seed Spreader or an old hand spreader depending on how big the area is to broadcast whatever seed I have. In the spring I usually plant buckwheat so it grows during the summer and provides seed and cover for upland birds, turkey, and other critters as well. Some years I experiment in one plot and try corn, beets, or soybeans. I had a Dearborn-Peoria Grain Drill for the larger areas but have since sold that. In the fall, usually by Labor Day, I will disc up the buckwheat plots and seed them with rye, wheat, sorghum, rape, or a combination of all. In my areas, both here around the farm and up north at our 380 acres of pristine Michigan hardwood forests, I found beets, corn, soybeans, and a few other crops don't work well for deer and turkey. I found rye and wheat work best, at least in my areas. Most brassicas like clover, once the first frost hits them, the deer won't touch it. Seed prices will also dictate what I plant each year. Rye has gotten a bit high, sorghum is always high, and wheat stays the same and is about the cheapest and it works. The thing with wheat and rye is, when planted in September, by the October 1 bowhunting season and the November 15 firearm season it has reached a decent height that they love, and they will paw thru the snow all winter to get at it though it goes dormant. In the spring the rye and wheat take off and if let go, by June it will be waist high and gone to seed. They bot hare excellent crops that add nitrogen to the soil. I make sure I get to them by the end of May for the most part and disc and prep for the summer planting. It took some years of trial and error to get my system down, but remember each state and area is different so consult your local DNR, Wild Turkey Federation, Pheasants Forever, and your local Grain Elevator co-op that sells seed will have guys who will tell you what is best to plant for deer in your area.

Now, all that being said, if you still want a plow, that's a good start building your collection of implements. Since they will be for use, not as collectables to show just yet, I'll tell you to stay away from the early Ferguson-Sherman stuff and the early Dearborn plows. Both are no longer serviced and parts are rare as hens teeth to find if they even exist. The later Dearborn Economy Plows are still serviced, at least the important wear parts, but not the 10" and 12" plows. Maybe the 12" if you get real lucky. Look at getting a Dearborn Economy Plow in the 14" style as your best bet for 2-bottom; 16" one bottoms will work good too. The later FORD 101 Plow Series is even better as they have spring loaded trip mechanisms with a shear pin that allows the moldboards to flip up out of the way if an obstruction is encountered. My diagram below from the Dearborn Plows Master Parts Catalog shows the early Dearborn Moldboard (Prior Model) Plow and the later Dearborn Economy Plow. Stay away from the Prior Models. Your looking for a Dearborn Economy Plow, Model #10-156 for a decent 14" plow. A good idea too is to start looking for disc harrows and drags and hire out a local farmer who has plows to get your plots ready. He can also help you with what to plant in your area. So that is all my advice and comments for now...let us know what you decide.

Tim *PloughNman* Daley(MI)

Required 8N Manuals:
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Dearborn Plow Info:
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(quoted from post at 13:40:32 03/29/17)
(quoted from post at 10:51:23 03/29/17) Rod,

Showcrop showed me the law.

"Under the 8N oath, section 3, paragraph 18, any user of a pull-behind plow must be destroyed at once." :D

T

Actually I believe that the penalty is tarring and feathering and banned from owning any Ford tractors for the rest of their life.

<sigh> What is the world coming to!
The sentences keep getting lighter and lighter.

It wouldn't surprise me that pretty soon, after 20 years with good plowing behavior, a convicted farmer will be able to own a Ford tractor again.
 
8N and snowblower are two words that dont go together very well. The 8N does not have a live pto so when you push
the clutch in to stop the tractor, the pto also stops rotating. This can make it challenging to run a snowblower.
 
8N and snowblower are two words that dont go together very well. The 8N does not have a live pto so when you push the clutch in to stop the tractor, the pto also stops rotating. This can make it challenging to run a snowblower. Also the combination of too fast of a reverse speed and 20 something horsepower with an 8N will help you make use of every curse word you know if trying to use a snowblower.
 
(quoted from post at 13:51:23 03/29/17) Rod,

Showcrop showed me the law.

"Under the 8N oath, section 3, paragraph 18, any user of a pull-behind plow must be destroyed at once." :D

T

That's the basic stuff I need to know before I get into trouble 8)
 
Thanks Tim. I'm going to have to go through that a couple times to take it all in. Mine did come with the Parts List and FO-4 Shop Manual. I purchased an Operators Manual so I still need to track down a Service Training Manual and what is the one in the upper left corner ??

Dean, I understood the limitations with a tiller and snowblower before I purchased the machine as the tiller was the big reason I wanted to get the tractor. Pretty much realize if I get a tiller it's going to be for the tractor that replaces the 8N.
I do have the Sherman over/under so that does help with ground speed but as I found out also cuts PTO speed. It's sooo close to being a really great little tractor if they just would have given it a live PTO and a bit more power (6cyl). Like so many others before me by the time I put together my "I wish they would have" list I'm describing something like a 4000 :roll:
 
Would this be one of the "old" style ?? Better to stay away from ??

https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ank/grd/6065568965.html
 
Or maybe this one. I would have posted them together but I couldn't find it at first as it's in a different area about four hours away.

https://mankato.craigslist.org/grd/6057504429.html
 
I did find a Ford 101 plow on Craigs.

It's a three bottom which would be nice if I end up with a bigger tractor later. What do you think on price ??

https://eauclaire.craigslist.org/grd/6043000319.html
 

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