To Groove or not to Groove

Caryc · Mar 13, 2017

I'd like to get answers to a question here. The question is...did any of the "N" tractors with a 1 1/8" PTO shaft have the groove in them to accept a quick connect like the later 1 3/8" shafts did?

I mean actual eyes on a 1 1/8" shaft with the groove in it? I don't think there is such a thing. My 8N had a 1 1/8" shaft with no groove in it before I changed it out to 1 3/8".

HFJ · Mar 13, 2017

same here. mine has a hole and no groove.

R Geiger · Mar 13, 2017

I went out and took the cap off of my late 50. No grove, jusst the pin hole.

Skip Burney · Mar 13, 2017

My 2N and 8N have a groove and a hole in the 1 1/8 shaft

kevin58 · Mar 14, 2017

Same here. Was just looking last week for a QD overrunning coupler only to discover my 8n PTO shaft doesn't have a groove.

Caryc · Mar 14, 2017

(quoted from post at 19:15:31 03/13/17) My 2N and 8N have a groove and a hole in the 1 1/8 shaft

I really don't understand why if an earlier model like a 2N used a 1 1/8" shaft with the groove in it, why would later 8N models still have a 1 1/8" shaft without the groove?

It just doesn't make sense.

R Geiger · Mar 14, 2017

(quoted from post at 13:25:09 03/14/17)

(quoted from post at 19:15:31 03/13/17) My 2N and 8N have a groove and a hole in the 1 1/8 shaft

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I really don't understand why if an earlier model like a 2N used a 1 1/8" shaft with the groove in it, why would later 8N models still have a 1 1/8" shaft without the groove?

It just doesn't make sense.

MAy not be original equipment, could have been changed at some time.

JMOR · Mar 14, 2017

(quoted from post at 15:37:49 03/14/17)

(quoted from post at 13:25:09 03/14/17)

(quoted from post at 19:15:31 03/13/17) My 2N and 8N have a groove and a hole in the 1 1/8 shaft

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I really don't understand why if an earlier model like a 2N used a 1 1/8" shaft with the groove in it, why would later 8N models still have a 1 1/8" shaft without the groove?

It just doesn't make sense.

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MAy not be original equipment, could have been changed at some time.

r maybe someone doesn't know a spline from a groove, as in the two old ones I removed from 8Ns have a hole and 6 'grooves' each. :wink:

Caryc · Mar 14, 2017

(quoted from post at 13:18:57 03/14/17)

(quoted from post at 15:37:49 03/14/17)

(quoted from post at 13:25:09 03/14/17)

(quoted from post at 19:15:31 03/13/17) My 2N and 8N have a groove and a hole in the 1 1/8 shaft

Click to expand...

I really don't understand why if an earlier model like a 2N used a 1 1/8" shaft with the groove in it, why would later 8N models still have a 1 1/8" shaft without the groove?

It just doesn't make sense.

Click to expand...

MAy not be original equipment, could have been changed at some time.

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r maybe someone doesn't know a spline from a groove, as in the two old ones I removed from 8Ns have a hole and 6 'grooves' each. :wink:

Yeah, I thought of that but I just didn't want to insult anyone. Just to be clear, this is the groove I'm talking about.

Skip Burney · Mar 14, 2017

Both of my old ones look to have had the groove machined into them. They are now sitting in the back of the shop as I went back with 1 3/8 in both

Caryc · Mar 14, 2017

(quoted from post at 15:42:08 03/14/17) Both of my old ones look to have had the groove machined into them. They are now sitting in the back of the shop as I went back with 1 3/8 in both

Are you saying that someone pulled the stock shafts out and machined the grooves into them?

Skip Burney · Mar 14, 2017

I looked at both my old ones and the grooves were put into them with a grinder, hard to tell after years of running and grease

Caryc · Mar 14, 2017

OK, so we're back to square one. None of the stock 1 1/8" pto shafts had the groove in them.

So why would they make a quick disconnect ORC with the 1 1/8" female? If they sold any of them, wouldn't people just keep returning them after finding that they can't use them?

Everything's still a mystery.

JMOR · Mar 15, 2017

(quoted from post at 00:35:26 03/15/17) OK, so we're back to square one. None of the stock 1 1/8" pto shafts had the groove in them.

So why would they make a quick disconnect ORC with the 1 1/8" female? If they sold any of them, wouldn't people just keep returning them after finding that they can't use them?

Everything's still a mystery.

ord Ns are not the only tractors in the universe.

Ultradog MN · Mar 15, 2017

It would be rather easy to grind a groove.
Start the tractor with pto on, brace
yourself on a block of wood or somesuch and
grind it in with an angle grinder. Take it
easy - grind/test fit, grind/test fit.
I liked the QD ORCs a Lot better than the
one with a pin. Take it off/on as needed and
not have that clunky thing spinning all the
time.

Caryc · Mar 15, 2017

(quoted from post at 01:31:29 03/15/17)

(quoted from post at 00:35:26 03/15/17) OK, so we're back to square one. None of the stock 1 1/8" pto shafts had the groove in them.

So why would they make a quick disconnect ORC with the 1 1/8" female? If they sold any of them, wouldn't people just keep returning them after finding that they can't use them?

Everything's still a mystery.

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ord Ns are not the only tractors in the universe.

Of course they're not. But if I sold a quick disconnect for a 1 1/8" PTO, I would add "Not for Ford Tractors" in the add so I wouldn't have to keep accepting returns. Wouldn't you?

JMOR · Mar 15, 2017

(quoted from post at 12:15:19 03/15/17)

(quoted from post at 01:31:29 03/15/17)

(quoted from post at 00:35:26 03/15/17) OK, so we're back to square one. None of the stock 1 1/8" pto shafts had the groove in them.

So why would they make a quick disconnect ORC with the 1 1/8" female? If they sold any of them, wouldn't people just keep returning them after finding that they can't use them?

Everything's still a mystery.

Click to expand...

ord Ns are not the only tractors in the universe.

Click to expand...

Of course they're not. But if I sold a quick disconnect for a 1 1/8" PTO, I would add "Not for Ford Tractors" in the add so I wouldn't have to keep accepting returns. Wouldn't you?

f I were a half knowledgeable tractor person, I might (probably not really list all those that it does NOT fit), but if an Amazon flunky, probably not. His first post reference did say it was for Allis Chalmers & he wanted to know if it would work on his Ford. They did not say that it was for an N Ford.

Caryc · Mar 15, 2017

(quoted from post at 12:07:12 03/15/17)

(quoted from post at 12:15:19 03/15/17)

(quoted from post at 01:31:29 03/15/17)

(quoted from post at 00:35:26 03/15/17) OK, so we're back to square one. None of the stock 1 1/8" pto shafts had the groove in them.

So why would they make a quick disconnect ORC with the 1 1/8" female? If they sold any of them, wouldn't people just keep returning them after finding that they can't use them?

Everything's still a mystery.

Click to expand...

ord Ns are not the only tractors in the universe.

Click to expand...

Of course they're not. But if I sold a quick disconnect for a 1 1/8" PTO, I would add "Not for Ford Tractors" in the add so I wouldn't have to keep accepting returns. Wouldn't you?

Click to expand...

f I were a half knowledgeable tractor person, I might (probably not really list all those that it does NOT fit), but if an Amazon flunky, probably not. His first post reference did say it was for Allis Chalmers & he wanted to know if it would work on his Ford. They did not say that it was for an N Ford.

OK, I guess all those people that sell them have never had one returned because it didn't fit the customers Ford.

Caryc · Mar 15, 2017

Follow up question...

Anyone know when Ford started using a stock 1 3/8" PTO shaft?

JMOR · Mar 15, 2017

(quoted from post at 19:30:18 03/15/17) Follow up question...

Anyone know when Ford started using a stock 1 3/8" PTO shaft?

elieve early hundred series. Perhaps someone can do better than 'believe'.

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