$6.00 + qt of oil

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Had to get some brake line at the local chain auto parts store and noticed $6 for several brands of conventional oil? Thought must be due to bargains on the online stores as I use them a lot. Did a search and came across this. Just as I have been dueling with TOH oil Guru over oil is a gimmick on what it will and will not do due to the 3000 mi change. $6 a qt now because they got to make up for the enlighten folks.
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(quoted from post at 18:03:51 03/13/17) Had to get some brake line at the local chain auto parts store and noticed $6 for several brands of conventional oil? Thought must be due to bargains on the online stores as I use them a lot. Did a search and came across this. Just as I have been dueling with TOH oil Guru over oil is a gimmick on what it will and will not do due to the 3000 mi change. $6 a qt now because they got to make up for the enlighten folks.
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The every 3000 mile oil change has been history for 30 years if not more. My 1988 Cherokee owner's manual said 5K for normal driving conditions Today many modern vehicles use condition based computer monitoring to tell you when it's time for a change. That's a pretty good guide IF you are using the type of oil they recommend. Not good at all if you are using the cheapest thing you can buy at the local Dollar Store. If you REALLY want to know when the oil needs to be changed invest in a used oil analysis service and take the guesswork out of it. You WILL see a measurable difference in oil life based on what oil you are pouring in....

TOH
 
wayyyyyyyyyyy back in the day my dad changed oil every one thousand miles.

I use a simple rule of thumb. lotsa stop and go driving change it often. lots of highway miles not so often. how many miles is your choice. it is really nothing to get aanal about.

I had a 80 Cleveite once that had a main seal leak. I never changed the oil, just added when the dip stick said it was time. it had 80,000 miles and ran like champ when I got rid of it.
 
For my other lawn and garder stuff I run Mobil 0-40 all year long. Only exception is the oil troy tiller that I do use straight 30 in the Kohler. It eats everything else up.

I get the Mobil 1 at walmart at it runs about $5 a quart in 5qt jugs. Conventional is a lot less.

I plan on using my 8N for a small garden in the summer and snow plowing in winter. Without starting a fight what is a good oil weight to run in one of these that has lots of hours on it ??
 
(quoted from post at 18:10:25 03/13/17) For my other lawn and garder stuff I run Mobil 0-40 all year long. Only exception is the oil troy tiller that I do use straight 30 in the Kohler. It eats everything else up.

I get the Mobil 1 at walmart at it runs about $5 a quart in 5qt jugs. Conventional is a lot less.

I plan on using my 8N for a small garden in the summer and snow plowing in winter. Without starting a fight what is a good oil weight to run in one of these that has lots of hours on it ??

I'll take a stab at this , for your N and other older non computerized engines , the thinnest multi weight oil that keeps your hot oil pressure sufficient . Valvoline racing 50wt is not your friend .
 
(quoted from post at 19:10:25 03/13/17) For my other lawn and garder stuff I run Mobil 0-40 all year long. Only exception is the oil troy tiller that I do use straight 30 in the Kohler. It eats everything else up.

I get the Mobil 1 at walmart at it runs about $5 a quart in 5qt jugs. Conventional is a lot less.

I plan on using my 8N for a small garden in the summer and snow plowing in winter. Without starting a fight what is a good oil weight to run in one of these that has lots of hours on it ??

Help me out - who makes a conventional SAE 0W40 grade oil ;-)

If you have "winters" then a 5Wxx or 10Wxx grade oil is very close to Fords original guidelines. Use Ken's advice for picking the xx part and don't expect to see hot oil pressure significanlty more than 30 PSI if that.

TOH
 
I passed on the video I have seen the affects of extended oil change intervals and they are not cheap to repair.

When folks are faced with a repair bill that's more than there 6-7-8 year old car is worth that's a expensive lesson in life.

One question that seams to always stumps non believers is can the affects be reversed once your engine suffers from it.

Extended oil change intervals are worst today that they ever were.
Most engines now and in the last 15 years have OHC with wippy timing chains, variable valve timing and cylinder deactivation. Extend your oil change intervals and see how well it pans out fer'ya...
 
(quoted from post at 18:37:38 03/13/17) rotella 15/40 is the choice of many.

That was my choice and what I planed for my rebuild . After seeing the viscosity charts I will be using 10w-30 . The additives in normal automotive oils will will be more than enough for 60 spi valve springs on a flathead cam lobe . The oil is still good enough for 120 psi valve springs multiplied 1.5 to 1.7 times with a rocker arm .

I believe the data that 10-30 should help start up wear better than 15-40 and still work well hot . Plus I will get that .1 HP increase that my oil pump is saving added to the .1 HP the synthetic adds , whoopie .

YMMV.
 
Mumbo Jumbo Hokie, check the archives on our oil conversations and how you
said the oil change chains spoke the gospel and were spot on, and where you
also talk about shear in oil if not changed and I told you shear was mentioned
in the scientific papers just so some college graduate could justify his or
her existence and keep his or her silver sled on the research gravytrain. I
have never seen anything close to oil shear and I bet you haven't either in
the real world.If in your oil research you saw oil shear it was driven to that
point in a lab setting so someone could say this is a oil shear and you will
never see it any other way unless we make it on purpose. And to refresh your
memory I said I use non-detergent oil in my 43 and you were against non-
detergent oil in these tractors and it should be replaced with HD 10-30 10-40
or 30w oil. I have had my 43 for over 40 yrs and it has never had oil relate
problem not one drop has dripped from it ever and I never had a wrench on it
and I bet the gaskets are all original.
 
(quoted from post at 20:09:49 03/13/17) Mumbo Jumbo Hokie, check the archives on our oil conversations and how you
said the oil change chains spoke the gospel and were spot on, and where you
also talk about shear in oil if not changed and I told you shear was mentioned
in the scientific papers just so some college graduate could justify his or
her existence and keep his or her silver sled on the research gravytrain. I
have never seen anything close to oil shear and I bet you haven't either in
the real world.If in your oil research you saw oil shear it was driven to that
point in a lab setting so someone could say this is a oil shear and you will
never see it any other way unless we make it on purpose. And to refresh your
memory I said I use non-detergent oil in my 43 and you were against non-
detergent oil in these tractors and it should be replaced with HD 10-30 10-40
or 30w oil. I have had my 43 for over 40 yrs and it has never had oil relate
problem not one drop has dripped from it ever and I never had a wrench on it
and I bet the gaskets are all original.

Try not to think too much - I know how it makes your head hurt.

TOH
 
Well I know ya turn a wrench for a living and you say you have seen these
things but I would question you prior knowledge of what the true maintenance
was on each engine. I would have to say if they were your regular customers
you are part to blame for the failed oil change, Mag 10-30 is still $2.45 a qt
and cheaper then that if ya buy a drum of it bulk. $3.00 filter--- leaves you
with $5.00 thats $50 time wise an hr on a oil change and you get a gallon of heating
oil for you shops waste oil heater. a good mech is also a good friend and
would have sold them that $20.00 oil change,if they really were your good regular
customers. Now that said if you got a tar heel with tar in his crankcase just
passing by it could happen but I would say then how long were these people listen to the lifter banging an were 2 or 3 qts low, now your talking real problems. Even the Hokie told a story of a lady that went 70
some k miles without and oil change before it feathered.
 
(quoted from post at 06:58:48 03/14/17) Well I know ya turn a wrench for a living and you say you have seen these
things but I would question you prior knowledge of what the true maintenance
was on each engine. I would have to say if they were your regular customers
you are part to blame for the failed oil change, Mag 10-30 is still $2.45 a qt
and cheaper then that if ya buy a drum of it bulk. $3.00 filter--- leaves you
with $5.00 thats $50 time wise an hr on a oil change and you get a gallon of heating
oil for you shops waste oil heater. a good mech is also a good friend and
would have sold them that $20.00 oil change,if they really were your good regular
customers. Now that said if you got a tar heel with tar in his crankcase just
passing by it could happen but I would say then how long were these people listen to the lifter banging an were 2 or 3 qts low, now your talking real problems. Even the Hokie told a story of a lady that went 70
some k miles without and oil change before it feathered.

I would question you are total dumb arse but I don't have to now do I... :lol:
 
I use 15/40 Rotella in everything including my flat tappet engines the only thing I do is add the Lucas ZDDP additive to the flat tappet engines. 283 and 327 Chevrolet engines at getting hard to come by and I like em.
 
Sorry, forgot to get the "1" behind the Mobil. It's a European formula full synthetic that I chose after doing a lot of research and going blind on Bob is the Oil Guy. They talk about oil the way I talk about really good barbecue or the eye candy at the beach :shock:

I've seen way too many spark plug and oil fights on other forums just wanted to toss it out there in case there might be something special that old ford 120ci might prefer.

I've tried to attach a photo of the oil jug but no go. Is there a minimum count to post photos ??
 
NO ya don't Ho LOL!!!!!!!!!! I fess up. How ya been you old Ridge Runner and Junior Samples fan club President.But I do know this much----when you hear the song Red Necks White Socks and Blue
Ribbon Beer you know who it was written for and where. Cause when you hear it you stand at attention, blow a snot rocket just hard enough to clear your quonset hut shaped belly covered by your Big Smith overalls bib and put a divot in the dust covered dirt floor you call a repair shop, and top it off with long belch then reach into a ice filled wash tub of Pabst,pop-a-top slam it and crush the can with one hand and with a big grin launch it into the open trunk of your 52 Mercury project car you started in 1978. I will stop and see ya next time Im in your neck of the woods and we can talk shop OK. Ill even buy.Dont forget to save me a chair at camp meeting LOL
 
I found it ironic, amazing really, that when oil prices plummeted the in the past few years, all oil based products would follow suit, but then they didn't did they? A quart of motor stayed the same at 5-6-7-8 bucks per quart and still remain t those levels. Paints, plastics, et al too never changed. Who's fooling who?

Tim *PloughNman* Daley(MI)
 
(quoted from post at 23:05:37 03/13/17) Sorry, forgot to get the "1" behind the Mobil. It's a European formula full synthetic that I chose after doing a lot of research and going blind on Bob is the Oil Guy. They talk about oil the way I talk about really good barbecue or the eye candy at the beach :shock:

I've seen way too many spark plug and oil fights on other forums just wanted to toss it out there in case there might be something special that old ford 120ci might prefer.

I've tried to attach a photo of the oil jug but no go. Is there a minimum count to post photos ??

There may be a minimum for uploading images but you can always add a link to your image using the tags. Here is your jug.

That oil goes in all three of our 3 Series BMW's and my oldest son's Audi S5. Its a BMW LL-01 certified lubricant which is the basis of the BMW condition based oil life monitor and expected to give 10K+ service life under "normal" conditions. The cars are not driven much and the oil is changed twice a year which works out to about a 6K OCI so I have never had the oil monitor tell me I needed to change the oil :roll: The 5.7L Hemi in my 4WD truck and the 2.5L in the little Japanese car get Mobil 1 5W30 on the same schedule. Both oils are strong performers as shown by the many virgin and used oil analyses posted on BITOG. It's my preference based on price and availability but there are plenty of other equally qualified competitors to choose from.

TOH

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(quoted from post at 06:18:39 03/14/17) I found it ironic, amazing really, that when oil prices plummeted the in the past few years, all oil based products would follow suit, but then they didn't did they? A quart of motor stayed the same at 5-6-7-8 bucks per quart and still remain t those levels. Paints, plastics, et al too never changed. Who's fooling who?

Tim *PloughNman* Daley(MI)

Just like the "fuel surcharge" for airlines, limousines, ... Just like the government once a tax, surcharge or fee goes into effect it's usually there to stay. Once the cause is gone it's just pure profit. Remember when your carry on and checked baggage was free. When airlines treated you like a valued customer instead of luggage necessary to make a profit.
What drove me crazy was "Shop Supplies". I worked as a mechanic on commission like most do and that was something we had to charge a customer but we didn't get any commission on. If I rebuilt your engine and used cleaner, rags, sealant, thread locker and misc small parts you paid the same in shop supplies as if I did an expensive electronic, electrical or sensor repair and used nothing. It was usually 3-5 % of the bill and if you challenge the cashier on it they usually stammer something about it paying for those red rags, spare me !!
Sorry for the rant. :oops:
 
You are not gifted when it comes to come backs Hokie,same old phrases same old
same old. In my mines eye all I can see is you walking the halls of Virginia
Tech pocket protector filled with writing implements, black rimed glasses,
briefcase in hand shirt tucked into your highwater dress slacks and members of
the football team using you as their personal pinata as they bounce you between
them like a pinball, and you tell them if you ever come on the golf course you
will show them who's who.
 
(quoted from post at 15:14:38 03/14/17) You are not gifted when it comes to come backs Hokie,same old phrases same old
same old. In my mines eye all I can see is you walking the halls of Virginia
Tech pocket protector filled with writing implements, black rimed glasses,
briefcase in hand shirt tucked into your highwater dress slacks and members of
the football team using you as their personal pinata as they bounce you between
them like a pinball, and you tell them if you ever come on the golf course you
will show them who's who.

Just as clueless about me as you are about the science and engineering you bash. Here's a 1976 pic of me and a few of my friends enjoying an extended weekend of bluegrass in Galax. I would wager there is not a single pocket protector in the crowd...

TOH

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Your answers are thinning out, no answers on the oil archives cause I nailed ya
on it. And by this reply I got it correct on your VT days as you only say no
pocket protectors here, so am I close on the rest of it. I must say I enjoy a
little Hill-Billy music myself once in a while.
 
(quoted from post at 18:46:08 03/14/17) Your answers are thinning out, no answers on the oil archives cause I nailed ya
on it. .

Ah yes - you really nailed me - memory like an elephant he has.

Let see - [color=red:84994694ee]what was I saying two years ago[/color:84994694ee]?

TheOldHokie 08-25-2015 15:48:35
Re: Never havta change oil again? in reply to Popgun,

[i:84994694ee][b:84994694ee]In general you can get 10K [/b:84994694ee]or more off a top quality synthetic BUT every OEM I know of says change after 12 months if you don't get the mileage. Oil collects a lot of undesirable "additives" just sitting in the crankcase.
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Or maybe you are thinking of something I said [color=red:84994694ee]4 years ago[/color:84994694ee]?

TheOldHokie 10-24-2013 05:55:25
Re: 8n Low Oil Presure Help Me Understand?
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All of that changed with the development of very high VI conventional and synthetic base oils along with extensive polymer research, development, and testing (like that injector test) resulting in more shear stable VI enhancing additives. As a result modern multi-grades formulated with newer technology are vastly more shear resistant. But like any grade of engine oil modern multi-grade oils still shear - just a lot slower than the did previously.[b:84994694ee] Service life on a modern SAE 0W40 oil can easily exceed 10K miles[/b:84994694ee].[/i:84994694ee]

Maybe that was [color=red:84994694ee]5 years ago[/color:84994694ee]

TheOldHokie 05-01-2012 09:33:24
Re: Shell Rotella T, 15W/40 OK in an 8n??

[i:84994694ee]So here we are today. [b:84994694ee]You can get a premium conventional SAE 5W30 or 10W40 that has a service life in the neighborhood of 5K miles for about $3/qt. or you can get a full synthetic SAE 0W40 or 5W40 with a service life close to 10K miles for $8/qt.[/b:84994694ee] Mercedes says use 0W40 because it provides excellent wear protection, it is squeaky clean, their customers have deep pockets, [b:84994694ee]service interval is 10K miles[/b:84994694ee], and it works year round in dam near any region of the world. Ford/GM/Chrysler say use SAE 5W30 because it works almost as good, costs a good bit less, and their dealers get to charge you big bucks to change it and a filter every 5K miles.
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Or maybe once again WW2N can't handle complex thinking and has things all scrambled in his tin foil hat brain :twisted:

TOH
 
(quoted from post at 17:30:22 03/14/17)
(quoted from post at 15:14:38 03/14/17) You are not gifted when it comes to come backs Hokie,same old phrases same old
same old. In my mines eye all I can see is you walking the halls of Virginia
Tech pocket protector filled with writing implements, black rimed glasses,
briefcase in hand shirt tucked into your highwater dress slacks and members of
the football team using you as their personal pinata as they bounce you between
them like a pinball, and you tell them if you ever come on the golf course you
will show them who's who.

Just as clueless about me as you are about the science and engineering you bash. Here's a 1976 pic of me and a few of my friends enjoying an extended weekend of bluegrass in Galax. I would wager there is not a single pocket protector in the crowd...

TOH

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Is that you with the long blond ponytail at the bottom left? :lol:
 
(quoted from post at 19:58:57 03/14/17)
Is that you with the long blond ponytail at the bottom left? :lol:

No - my ponytail was brown, straight, and a little longer. :roll:

Here's a true story:

June of 73 I was getting married in a small town in Southside VA. Myself, my best man (my brother), my wife to be, and her bridesmaid were all solemnly kneeling at the alter, backs to the assembled audience, and all four of us had long poker straight hair down to the middle of our backs. In the midst of dead quiet an older and very proper southern lady sitting in the front row turned to her daughter and asked in a rather loud voice: "Which ones the bride?" Her daughter was mortified but the whole place including the four of us erupted in laughter.

Currently - when I go to the "stylist" I tell them to take a little off the sides, even up the back, and if they can find anything on top they are free to do what they want with it.....

TOH

PS> My brother has given up entirely and is now sporting a Yul Brynner look
 
(quoted from post at 20:23:11 03/14/17)
(quoted from post at 19:58:57 03/14/17)
Is that you with the long blond ponytail at the bottom left? :lol:

No - my ponytail was brown, straight, and a little longer. :roll:

Mine was ringlet curls and a bit longer than hers too.
After the third or thirtieth creeper wheel episode, it went away. :shock:
 
Mine was ringlet curls and a bit longer than hers too.
After the third or thirtieth creeper wheel episode, it went away. :shock:[/quote]

Oh the joy of being stuck under a vehicle with yer hair rolled up in the friggin creeper wheel I've cut off a few pony tails in anger
over that...... :roll:
 

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