52 8N - bad coil?...or cap?

Hi guys. I'm trying to track down an electrical issue.
I kinda understand these distributors but let's be
safe and "act" like I don't.

Where I'm at: I installed distributor(side mount) in
time to my best knowledge. TDC, 0 deg, rotor facing
#1, wire order 1,2,4,3 but no spark. I used a circuit
tester and have power at each terminal on the coil
but nothing at the wire from the coil to dist cap. I'm
assuming I'm supposed to. Is this a bad coil? Any
suggestions?

Thanks in advance,
Justen
 
6v or 12v?

No, it's not a bad coil.

Open the points, turn the key on and measure the voltage. You should see battery voltage. If not, work up stream to the coil.

HINT: Check the copper strip and insulator very carefully.
75 Tips
 
BTW......

You will never see voltage on the secondary coil circuit ( the big wire) unless the tractor is running. And then it will be 20k or so volts and it will let the smoke out of your circuit tester.
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Bruce has you on the right path here.
Round can coils are pretty hardy, unlike the square can coils.

You should have battery voltage through the coil to the points
with the points open but none on that side of the coil when the
points are closed. You can save the drain on your battery if you
have an ohm meter and measure the resistance to ground with
the ignition switch turned off.

You also mentioned the firing order being 1-2-4-3 which is right,
just make sure you are going counter-clockwise on an N.
 
Ok, I had 6.5v at the points. I'm guessing the extra .5v for the battery tender. When I crank it I get spark across them too.
 
(quoted from post at 09:30:38 10/23/16) Ok, I had 6.5v at the points. I'm guessing the extra .5v for the battery tender. When I crank it I get spark across them too.

Are they gapped to 0.025" I like to have the points closed and with the key on, and while holding the large coil wire close to the block, open and close the poinst with your finger. You should see or feel a spark.
 
Alright. I adjusted the gap to .025. Wasn't quite
there before. Tried checking for spark with the
points closed. Got spark. Still no spark at the plugs
though.
 
At the points I did like Geiger said. Closed the points and opened it with my finger and got a small spark. Also, I forgot to turn the ignition off and when checked the gap with the feeler gauge I got spark.

For the plugs, I reassembled the cap and hooked up plug#1(pulled from head), rested it on a grounded bolt and cranked with the starter but couldn't see any spark.
 
" rested it on a grounded bolt"

That's not making a very good connection.

If you don?t own a spark checker w/ an adjustable gap, buy one. In the meantime, an old spark plug w/ the gap opened to at least ?? will work. Ground it firmly (like by holding it w/ a pair of insulated pliers)to a rust & paint free spot on the engine turn the key on & look for a spark.

Regardless, you should have had spark on the other plugs.

Unless they are fouled.

So, clean them; heat the tips for a few seconds w/ a propane torch to burn off the invisible spark-robbing deposits from today's additive filled gasoline........or wash them in brake cleaner.

Next, dress the points by running a piece of card stock or brown paper bag through them. New points sometimes have an anti-corrosive dielectric coating on them & old points can corrode or pick up grease from a dirty feeler gauge or excessive cam lubricant. (I always spray my feeler guage blade off w/ contact cleaner.) Make sure you have voltage across the points, as in past the insulator on the side of the distributor. That is a very common failure point on sidemounts, along w/ the attached copper strip. It's hard to find a short there because it is usually an intermittent . So 'wiggle' the insulator & the copper strip a bit when you are doing your checking. If you find the short there, the Master Parts catalog lists everything you need on page 154. You can make the strip and you could also make the insulators as well. But, somethings are just easier & in the long run cheaper to buy. Get the strip, 12209, screw 350032-S, 12233 bushing & 12234 insulator & just replace it all. If you just replaced the rotor & lost spark, put the old one back in. Insure that the rotor fits firmly on the shaft & that the little clip is there. Make sure the distributor cap is not cracked & doesn't have carbon tracks. Check continuity on the secondary coil wire. Make sure it is firmly seated in both the cap & the coil. In fact, replace it temporarily w/ a plug wire. Next, remove the secondary coil wire from the center of the distributor cap, turn the key on & crank the engine while holding the end of the wire 1/4" from a rust & paint free spot on the engine. You should see & hear a nice blue/white spark. If not, you have a bad coil or condenser. Just put the old condenser back in to eliminate that as a possibility.

Post back w/ results; I'll be interested in what the problem was.
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Sorry it's been a while but I didn't forget about you guys.

Here's what's happened since the last post...

I went out and bought an adjustable spark plug checker, contact cleaner and file. I took the distributor off, the points, condenser and plate off and cleaned everything.

I also ended up buying an ignition tune up kit, which included points, condenser and rotor. While at it I went ahead and bought a new cap, wires and coil. ( I didn't get the coil at first because I believed mine to still be good. Then I read about a coil test on here about how you should have ~1.5-2.5ohms or something like that. Mine was reading 5.5ohms across the coil. And I still wasn't getting spark at the time so I went back to buy it). I also ran new wire from the coil to the distributor primary and inside the little wire from the primary to the copper strip. I think a lot of my issues were with that little wire grounding out.

That's all the new stuff. I tried to avoid throwing money at but I've got enough money in the rebuild, what's another $50.

All that said, today, I was able to get spark on the #1 plug wire with the checker. pretty blue and crisp spark. But when I checked the other wires, no spark.

I did notice this. I popped the cap off after I seen I wasn't getting spark all the way around and noticed the rotor was kinda loose. Even looked like some plastic had rubbed off and built up. Almost like the flat part of the shaft isn't fully seated but I don't know how much further I can push it down. I'm afraid I'll break something if I press any harder.

Sorry for the lengthy post. Just trying to catch everyone up and be as informative as I can. Any ideas to what's going on now. I feel like the rotor might be part of the problem but I dunno.
 
jgriff.........theres supposta be a little metal clippie inside yer rotor to hold it securely inplace. This metal clippy sumtimes falls out and will cause wear like you are complaining about. Take a look. The sidemount dizzy has feedthru issues and will short out yer points. Original 1948 feedthru was "paper". A clever feller could visit the hardware store for new plastic bits to provide better insulation. Simple, eh? ........the amazed Dell
 
Glad you checked back. Lets see if we can help you get it running.

But, I can't help but notice that I (along with a few others here) made a number of suggestions that you either ignored & at least didn't comment on. That's no big deal to me; hey, my wife ignores me, the kids do & usually the dog does too, but I've got to point out that all of my tractors run & yours doesn't.

So, how about you tell us what you did & didn't do re the information you already have.

For example.....

I suggested that you buy a spark checker & you did. Good!

But, I also suggested that you dress the points w/ card stock. Instead, you bought a file & filed them. They are now worthless after a few hours of use.

No one suggested that you check the resistance on the coil. That "test" only tells you if it's a 6v or 12v coil. Unless it shows a dead short, which yours doesn't. Your old coil is fine.


You also ran a "little wire from the primary to the copper strip."

I gave you the parts list. There is NO wire there. The copper strip attaches to the insulator. Chances are very good that your problem is right there.

" the rotor was kinda loose. " If the shaft does not have the clip on it, the rotor will be loose. Dell & I both suggested that you check the clip. Did you?

What did the cap look like? Cracks, carbon tracks? Gouges in the brass?

Post back w/ some answers & we'll help you get it running.
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"but I've got to point out that all of my tractors run & yours doesn't." Ha, I guess I deserved that.

Sorry if it seems like I've been ignoring your suggestions. I haven't. I've done most of them, or at least what I believe you were asking of me; but you are right, I haven't done the best at answering back with the results.

So, to better answer your suggestions from last week...

When checking for voltage across the points and 'wiggling' insulator and what I thought to be the "copper strip" I lost voltage to the points I once had. I assumed that meant it was shorting out somewhere there. Most of the issue was confusion on my end. When you were saying "copper strip", I thought you were talking about the spring. See MY "copper strip" is actually a "little piece of wire" running from the primary screw to the terminal at the spring, but I didn't realize it at the time. SO, my thinking was, if I needed to replace the "copper strip" (thinking it was the spring), then I would buy the ignition tune-up kit that sold the points (with sprig attached obviously), condenser and rotor and just put new parts in. THIS is where I think my biggest confusion was but I didn't even realize it until later last night. So, when I got my new points, I didn't dress them with card stock or brown paper, etc. NOR did I file them(yeah I know I bought the file, but it was only a couple bucks and I thought I might need it for something). The only thing I did with them is spray my feeler gauge down with contact cleaner and set the gap to .025". So, yeah, I replaced parts that probably weren't the issue to begin with.

As far as the cap, from what I can tell, the old one seems to look alright. I didn't see any cracks and don't think there was any carbon tracks.

At the time, I pulled wire from the coil to the distributor of the cap and held it ~ 1/4 inch from a bare metal spot on the block...didn't get a spark. Which would make sense now...if I wasn't fixing the grounding issue at the insulator area. Regardless, the new coil is on there now.

There is a clip on the shaft for the rotor. Is it supposed to stay on the shaft when installing the rotor? Or should the clip sit in the rotor, then snapped down onto the shaft? I guess at the end of the day it ends up in the same place. Just didn't know if there was a better/correct way to do it. Right now it just doesn't seem like I'm getting the rotor all the way down, but like I said earlier, I don't know how I could press any harder on it without getting a c-clamp or something similar. But every time I pop the cap, the rotor seems to be a little loose.

Dell - The "feedthru" I have currently is paper. Almost looks like a tiny piece of sandpaper. I thought it was kinda odd.

I'm going to see if I can add some pics...it might help clear things up a little better.

To kinda summarize again...
I bought new points,condenser, rotor, cap, plug wires and coil. I didn't file my points(because I bought new ones). Instead, I just sprayed my feeler gauge off with cleaner and set the gap to .025. I replaced what should be the "copper strip" (in my case it was a small piece of wire...from PO apparently) last night and was able to get spark at the #1 spark plug wire last night using the tester, however, no spark at the other 3 wires. So, I popped the dizzy cap to investigate and noticed that the rotor was loose...even though I pushed it on as far as I thought possible..but it may be I'm not getting it far enough. That's what I'm thinking anyways. So what do you guys think/suggest? Should I go ahead and replace my "little wire" with the original "copper strip" and update the insulator and feedthru paper? I was getting spark last night, so I don't think it's currently grounding out, but I'd rather be safe than sorry down the road(or in the middle of a field). Do you think I'm just not getting the rotor far enough down on the clip and its just getting stuck at the #1 plug in the cap?
 
(quoted from post at 22:04:42 10/31/16)
"but I've got to point out that all of my tractors run & yours doesn't." Ha, I guess I deserved that.

Sorry if it seems like I've been ignoring your suggestions. I haven't. I've done most of them, or at least what I believe you were asking of me; but you are right, I haven't done the best at answering back with the results.

So, to better answer your suggestions from last week...

When checking for voltage across the points and 'wiggling' insulator and what I thought to be the "copper strip" I lost voltage to the points I once had. I assumed that meant it was shorting out somewhere there. Most of the issue was confusion on my end. When you were saying "copper strip", I thought you were talking about the spring. See MY "copper strip" is actually a "little piece of wire" running from the primary screw to the terminal at the spring, but I didn't realize it at the time. SO, my thinking was, if I needed to replace the "copper strip" (thinking it was the spring), then I would buy the ignition tune-up kit that sold the points (with sprig attached obviously), condenser and rotor and just put new parts in. THIS is where I think my biggest confusion was but I didn't even realize it until later last night. So, when I got my new points, I didn't dress them with card stock or brown paper, etc. NOR did I file them(yeah I know I bought the file, but it was only a couple bucks and I thought I might need it for something). The only thing I did with them is spray my feeler gauge down with contact cleaner and set the gap to .025". So, yeah, I replaced parts that probably weren't the issue to begin with.

As far as the cap, from what I can tell, the old one seems to look alright. I didn't see any cracks and don't think there was any carbon tracks.

At the time, I pulled wire from the coil to the distributor of the cap and held it ~ 1/4 inch from a bare metal spot on the block...didn't get a spark. Which would make sense now...if I wasn't fixing the grounding issue at the insulator area. Regardless, the new coil is on there now.

There is a clip on the shaft for the rotor. Is it supposed to stay on the shaft when installing the rotor? Or should the clip sit in the rotor, then snapped down onto the shaft? I guess at the end of the day it ends up in the same place. Just didn't know if there was a better/correct way to do it. Right now it just doesn't seem like I'm getting the rotor all the way down, but like I said earlier, I don't know how I could press any harder on it without getting a c-clamp or something similar. But every time I pop the cap, the rotor seems to be a little loose.

Dell - The "feedthru" I have currently is paper. Almost looks like a tiny piece of sandpaper. I thought it was kinda odd.

I'm going to see if I can add some pics...it might help clear things up a little better.

To kinda summarize again...
I bought new points,condenser, rotor, cap, plug wires and coil. I didn't file my points(because I bought new ones). Instead, I just sprayed my feeler gauge off with cleaner and set the gap to .025. I replaced what should be the "copper strip" (in my case it was a small piece of wire...from PO apparently) last night and was able to get spark at the #1 spark plug wire last night using the tester, however, no spark at the other 3 wires. So, I popped the dizzy cap to investigate and noticed that the rotor was loose...even though I pushed it on as far as I thought possible..but it may be I'm not getting it far enough. That's what I'm thinking anyways. So what do you guys think/suggest? Should I go ahead and replace my "little wire" with the original "copper strip" and update the insulator and feedthru paper? I was getting spark last night, so I don't think it's currently grounding out, but I'd rather be safe than sorry down the road(or in the middle of a field). Do you think I'm just not getting the rotor far enough down on the clip and its just getting stuck at the #1 plug in the cap?

OK, we're making progress.

The clip should stay on the shaft. Put the rotor over it & press down.

Do not try & jury rig that insulator & copper strip. Just order the correct parts & fix it correctly. And your tractor will run fine.

BTW, it's a lot easier to do that repair w/ the distributor out of the tractor. If that's what you want to do, then tell us & we will let you know how to get #1 at TDC before you pull the distributor.
 

Thanks Bruce. I just ordered the parts. When they come in, I'll take another shot at it.

When it comes time, I'll just pull the distributor off the tractor. I've already had it on and off a few times now. I'm assuming by getting it to TDC with the distributor still in, you mean by putting my finger over the spark plug hole and feeling for the compression stroke? Then checking the flywheel and making sure it's at 0deg? Or is there a different way?

Thank,
Justen
 
(quoted from post at 16:02:24 10/31/16)
Thanks Bruce. I just ordered the parts. When they come in, I'll take another shot at it.

When it comes time, I'll just pull the distributor off the tractor. I've already had it on and off a few times now. I'm assuming by getting it to TDC with the distributor still in, you mean by putting my finger over the spark plug hole and feeling for the compression stroke? Then checking the flywheel and making sure it's at 0deg? Or is there a different way?

Thank,
Justen

Yep, that's how it's done.

Post back with results.
 

Hello, I know it's been awhile since I last posted but I'm back. I've been busy with work, traveling, hunting and a vacation even mixed in. Last I was here I was waiting on my insulator, screw and copper strip to come in. I was finally able to get it installed last weekend and I put the distributor back in. I believe it's in time. At 4 deg the rotor and cap appear to be aligned and pointing toward the front head bolt.

The tractor will start and run, seemingly weak for about 10 seconds and die. So I tried to back track. Tested the fuel flow by removing the drain plug and had a steady stream for a couple minutes until I shut it off. Then I checked spark. I'm getting spark but it won't jump 1/4". The spark will jump around .025 but nothing much bigger. Definitely not 1/4". What would cause this? Could it be the new condenser I put in. From reading here I hear they are known to be bad out of the box.

Thanks in advance,
Justen
 
I would clean and regap the points to .025. clean with a brown paper bag strip. You have to be making good contact at the points to get good spark. That is assuming you have the correct voltage going to the points.
Last week my side mount did not want to start, it had spark sometimes, I tried cleaning the points, did not help so I went to NAPA and got anew set. Fired right up. I think I had one bad condensor, maybe.
 
Giger.........NEVER use FILE on ignition points. Many ignition points have INVISIBLE corrosion between the points. I recommend clamping the corner of $1-bill (cheap) between the points and pull. That will polish the invisible corrosion away and yer sparkies will sparkle. ........HTH, the amazed Dell and sparkie-meister
 
(quoted from post at 02:47:52 12/11/16) Giger.........NEVER use FILE on ignition points. Many ignition points have INVISIBLE corrosion between the points. I recommend clamping the corner of $1-bill (cheap) between the points and pull. That will polish the invisible corrosion away and yer sparkies will sparkle. ........HTH, the amazed Dell and sparkie-meister

Did I not say use a brown paper bag? I did not say file the points, but I have done that in the past to get by for the short term.
 

No worries guys, no points were filed. I did re-gap them and clean them with a brown paper bag though. Now I'm getting spark at 1/4" and I got it to start. That's the good news. Bad news is it still only ran for about 15 seconds before it died. While it was running it sounded good.

I'm waiting on the battery to recharge now. It has a hard time cranking with the plugs in unless it's at full charge it seems. That's another thing that worries me. I don't know if all the cranking and not running has everything dry. I don't know if it's building oil pressure or not. I sprayed some WD-40 in the plug holes and it seems to help for a little bit.
 

[i:cfaa698d63][b:cfaa698d63]"I don't know if it's building oil pressure or not."[/b:cfaa698d63][/i:cfaa698d63]

i'd want to know for sure, either way. if it has no oil pressure, it's just as well it won't run.

why are u unsure about it?
 
(quoted from post at 17:10:05 12/11/16)
[i:24d0d94b54][b:24d0d94b54]"I don't know if it's building oil pressure or not."[/b:24d0d94b54][/i:24d0d94b54]

i'd want to know for sure, either way. if it has no oil pressure, it's just as well it won't run.

why are u unsure about it?

I guess I don't know that it doesn't. I just haven't been able to watch the gauge the few short times I have gotten it to start. I just know I've cranked on it for quite awhile. It seems to crank a little easier when I spray wd40 in the plug holes. I assume it won't show pressure until I get it started and it stays running for a little bit.
 
(quoted from post at 20:38:19 12/11/16)
(quoted from post at 17:10:05 12/11/16)
[i:87022e308a][b:87022e308a]"I don't know if it's building oil pressure or not."[/b:87022e308a][/i:87022e308a]

i'd want to know for sure, either way. if it has no oil pressure, it's just as well it won't run.

why are u unsure about it?

I guess I don't know that it doesn't. I just haven't been able to watch the gauge the few short times I have gotten it to start. I just know I've cranked on it for quite awhile. It seems to crank a little easier when I spray wd40 in the plug holes. I assume it won't show pressure until I get it started and it stays running for a little bit.
Actually, if you've cranked it for a while it should show oil
pressure on the gauge while cranking. Running or not.
Washing the oil off the cylinder walls with WD-40 may make
it worse. I would prefer to use a teaspoon or so of oil.
 
(quoted from post at 01:15:58 12/12/16)
No worries guys, no points were filed. I did re-gap them and clean them with a brown paper bag though. Now I'm getting spark at 1/4" and I got it to start. That's the good news. Bad news is it still only ran for about 15 seconds before it died. While it was running it sounded good.

I'm waiting on the battery to recharge now. It has a hard time cranking with the plugs in unless it's at full charge it seems. That's another thing that worries me. I don't know if all the cranking and not running has everything dry. I don't know if it's building oil pressure or not. I sprayed some WD-40 in the plug holes and it seems to help for a little bit.

I would not worry about filing the points its becoming common to have to get aggressive cleaning them even with a new set. I have had to get mean with the last 4/5 set I have installed.

My hot tip for diagnosing the primary (low voltage) is to get a automotive sealed beam headlight and wire it in place of the coil that will load the circuit the same as the coil its fool prof. :wink:
Ohm meters and even a voltmeter will lead you down a long road if you use them to test a circuit thats not loaded...

Neat tool are some good tips for those that still like to learn. If you are a hard core Ohm/amp meter lubber are a retired Noszitall all Mac'anic that could not make a living at it Don't click on the link.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdgnUADDH9o&feature=youtu.be
 
(quoted from post at 22:54:50 12/11/16)
(quoted from post at 01:15:58 12/12/16)
No worries guys, no points were filed. I did re-gap them and clean them with a brown paper bag though. Now I'm getting spark at 1/4" and I got it to start. That's the good news. Bad news is it still only ran for about 15 seconds before it died. While it was running it sounded good.

I'm waiting on the battery to recharge now. It has a hard time cranking with the plugs in unless it's at full charge it seems. That's another thing that worries me. I don't know if all the cranking and not running has everything dry. I don't know if it's building oil pressure or not. I sprayed some WD-40 in the plug holes and it seems to help for a little bit.

I would not worry about filing the points its becoming common to have to get aggressive cleaning them even with a new set. I have had to get mean with the last 4/5 set I have installed.

My hot tip for diagnosing the primary (low voltage) is to get a automotive sealed beam headlight and wire it in place of the coil that will load the circuit the same as the coil its fool prof. :wink:
Ohm meters and even a voltmeter will lead you down a long road if you use them to test a circuit thats not loaded...

Neat tool are some good tips for those that still like to learn. If you are a hard core Ohm/amp meter lubber are a retired Noszitall all Mac'anic that could not make a living at it Don't click on the link.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdgnUADDH9o&feature=youtu.be
I fast forwarded about 10 minutes into that video and the guy
was still telling me all the reasons he was right instead of
showing me anything. So I shut it off. I've got work to do.
 
(quoted from post at 09:22:07 12/12/16)
(quoted from post at 22:54:50 12/11/16)
(quoted from post at 01:15:58 12/12/16)
No worries guys, no points were filed. I did re-gap them and clean them with a brown paper bag though. Now I'm getting spark at 1/4" and I got it to start. That's the good news. Bad news is it still only ran for about 15 seconds before it died. While it was running it sounded good.

I'm waiting on the battery to recharge now. It has a hard time cranking with the plugs in unless it's at full charge it seems. That's another thing that worries me. I don't know if all the cranking and not running has everything dry. I don't know if it's building oil pressure or not. I sprayed some WD-40 in the plug holes and it seems to help for a little bit.

I would not worry about filing the points its becoming common to have to get aggressive cleaning them even with a new set. I have had to get mean with the last 4/5 set I have installed.

My hot tip for diagnosing the primary (low voltage) is to get a automotive sealed beam headlight and wire it in place of the coil that will load the circuit the same as the coil its fool prof. :wink:
Ohm meters and even a voltmeter will lead you down a long road if you use them to test a circuit thats not loaded...

Neat tool are some good tips for those that still like to learn. If you are a hard core Ohm/amp meter lubber are a retired Noszitall all Mac'anic that could not make a living at it Don't click on the link.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdgnUADDH9o&feature=youtu.be
I fast forwarded about 10 minutes into that video and the guy
was still telling me all the reasons he was right instead of
showing me anything. So I shut it off. I've got work to do.

Well dang how about this... Warning EI haters don't click on the link...

http://www.enginelabs.com/engine-te...molo-the-hows-and-whys-of-the-dui-distributor
 
(quoted from post at 09:22:07 12/12/16)
(quoted from post at 22:54:50 12/11/16)
(quoted from post at 01:15:58 12/12/16)
No worries guys, no points were filed. I did re-gap them and clean them with a brown paper bag though. Now I'm getting spark at 1/4" and I got it to start. That's the good news. Bad news is it still only ran for about 15 seconds before it died. While it was running it sounded good.

I'm waiting on the battery to recharge now. It has a hard time cranking with the plugs in unless it's at full charge it seems. That's another thing that worries me. I don't know if all the cranking and not running has everything dry. I don't know if it's building oil pressure or not. I sprayed some WD-40 in the plug holes and it seems to help for a little bit.

I would not worry about filing the points its becoming common to have to get aggressive cleaning them even with a new set. I have had to get mean with the last 4/5 set I have installed.

My hot tip for diagnosing the primary (low voltage) is to get a automotive sealed beam headlight and wire it in place of the coil that will load the circuit the same as the coil its fool prof. :wink:
Ohm meters and even a voltmeter will lead you down a long road if you use them to test a circuit thats not loaded...

Neat tool are some good tips for those that still like to learn. If you are a hard core Ohm/amp meter lubber are a retired Noszitall all Mac'anic that could not make a living at it Don't click on the link.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdgnUADDH9o&feature=youtu.be
I fast forwarded about 10 minutes into that video and the guy
was still telling me all the reasons he was right instead of
showing me anything. So I shut it off. I've got work to do.

A shorter version for a busy man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv0ymoIrDC8
 

Thanks Hobo, looks like a pretty good tool and ego or not he seems to know what he's talking about. I'm always willing to learn, especially when it's free.

The coil is new...do you still think I should wire a headlight in place of? If so, 6v or 12v...I've got a 6v system and am thinking I could use one of my headlights?

Royse,
The gauge doesn't seem to be moving when I crank. I pulled the oil line off where it tee's into the block and to the gauge. As it cranked I could feel air being pushed with the revolutions so I figured it just needed primed. I pumped about 5oz of gear oil into the relief valve plug hole. I didn't notice any change cranking immediately after but the battery eventually wore down so I put it back on the charger. Does it normally take a little while to prime it?

The last time I went out to work on the tractor I realized I had left the ignition on. So I'm going to get rid of those cheap TSC points and replace them with Blue Streak or Echelin's(sp)...does anyone know the NAPA part #'s offhand? If not I can search back through the forums on here.
 
Echlin part number for side mount points is CS753
It can take a while for oil to pump up to the gauge but if you
cranked it enough to run the battery dead it should have shown
if it were going to show.
 
(quoted from post at 04:07:10 12/15/16)
Thanks Hobo, looks like a pretty good tool and ego or not he seems to know what he's talking about. I'm always willing to learn, especially when it's free.

The coil is new...do you still think I should wire a headlight in place of? If so, 6v or 12v...I've got a 6v system and am thinking I could use one of my headlights?

Royse,
The gauge doesn't seem to be moving when I crank. I pulled the oil line off where it tee's into the block and to the gauge. As it cranked I could feel air being pushed with the revolutions so I figured it just needed primed. I pumped about 5oz of gear oil into the relief valve plug hole. I didn't notice any change cranking immediately after but the battery eventually wore down so I put it back on the charger. Does it normally take a little while to prime it?

The last time I went out to work on the tractor I realized I had left the ignition on. So I'm going to get rid of those cheap TSC points and replace them with Blue Streak or Echelin's(sp)...does anyone know the NAPA part #'s offhand? If not I can search back through the forums on here.

The head light is for testing purpose only it pulls about the same amperage as the coil. Depends if its 6V use a 6V are 12 for a 12.

More INFO on basic ignition and more.

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Hey all,

I know it's been awhile but just wanted to drop back in and give some updates for anyone that might stumble on this thread down the road. (I've always hated threads with open endings) And maybe I can get some more help/tips?

Some good news. Mostly bad news.

Good news is, after replacing the points and adjusting the timing, the tractor fired up and ran good...all for a solid minute. Which was a lot better than before! But still an issue obviously. I believe most of the issue is in the timing but can't say for sure. Another good note, is the tractor ran long enough to build/show oil pressure on the gauge! So that put my mind at ease a little.

Some notes - while it was running - the tractor wouldn't respond to any adjustment in the throttle lever, nor any tweaking adjustment to the carb - both idle and main. It was recently rebuilt but maybe there's still an issue there.

From research on the forum I learned that symptoms with approx. 1min run time is occasionally a bad condenser, but neither the new or old one made a difference. Also, the wiring on this tractor was pretty butchered. Even though it seemed to work before I started this project, a lot of wires were cracked, spliced, rigged up...pretty sketchy looking. So I went ahead and bought a new wiring harness and voltage regulator and rewired it all. It ran for that 1min+ after I rewired it but now am second guessing the wiring from the VR and the generator. My plan is to double check that this weekend using an ohm meter. (I used JMOR's diagram as a go-by)

Bad news.
As I mentioned it still only ran for a minute. It would fire right back up shortly after, but would never run any longer.

After a few attempts at cranking the starter, I thought I saw a little smoke coming from the solenoid so I gave it a break. Probably 10-15mins. Came back out to try again - nothing. Now it won't even crank. So I figured I smoked the solenoid. I had a good one laying around, so I replaced it. Still nothing. Tried to jump the solenoid - nothing. So, I got out the voltmeter and decided to do some probing. Battery(brand new) read 6.4x volts. Thinking it may be the push starter button - I decided to test there first. With the ignition on, had 3V at the button - press button (ground it) - voltage goes to 0V, so I assume the button is working. Voltage to the solenoid/starter and distributor is only about half that though - 3V. Something isn't right here..shouldn't I have battery voltage at the distributor?

So now, I have to get the tractor cranking again and figure that out. Then onto figuring out why it'll only run for a minute.

Sorry for the long story. Like I said, I just wanted to follow up. Hopefully there's a happy ending. This dang thing just gets so aggravating sometimes. Seems like I take one step forward and two steps back. I want to get it running myself...almost a pride thing at this point as much time and aggravation I have involved but I might just have to take it somewhere. Spring is coming up quick and I need her running by then.
 

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