Problem with 8n fiting

8n will start, run about 4 or 5 minutes, begin sputtering, and die. Then there is no fire to the plugs. Leave it set overnight and it will do the same thing. Have replaced ignition switch, points,condenser,distributor cap, rotor, all from yesterday's tractor. The points were the cheaper ones, not sure that was the right move. Doesn't run long enough for the coil to get hot, but I have tried another old coil I had, but no fire then either. I have juice to the coil all the time. Could the new conderser be bad and causing the problem? Any suggestions?
 
Randy........5-mins is just about time fer a BAD condenser to giff ya sparkie problems. Yes, even NEW condensers kenn bee BAD rite outta the box. Remember, the weird 4-nipple front mount points (0.015) are designed to be replaced on the kitchen table. (seriously) Me? I'd stick the corner of $1-bill (cheap) between the points and pull. Polish the INVISIBLE CORROSION from between the points. Keep yer itchy-twitchy fingers off them handy-dandy carbie tweek'ums. Iff'n ya done tweeked, 'fess-up and I'll tell ya how to adjust yer carbie eazy. ......HTH, the amazed Dell
 
" 6 volt coil "

How do you know that?

Which resistor(s) are you using? OEM, ceramic or both? If you have a 6 volt coil and a 12 volt system & only the OEM ballast resistor, you cold have let the smoke out of the coil.

What did you set the point gap at?
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Looks like just a ceramic resistor been on there for years and always worked ok. Is hot on both sides when key is on. Point gap is .015. Put old condenser back on, still no spark. What ohm resistor do I need. May just go get another new set of points and condenser, never liked the way the points went in and set anyway. If I get a new coil should I get the 12 volt one and then would I do away with the resistor?
 
How do you know the "Old coil" was good? Did you check it with a digital meter? 1.2 ohms for 6 volt coil.
A bad coil will heat up and short out in about 5 minutes. a completely bad one will not work at all. Go buy a new one an try that. Most automotive stores have them in stock and this site also.
Charles Krammin
 
" Is hot on both sides when key is on."

That's not a very reliable way to check a resistor.

Get a 12 volt coil and the OEM ballast resistor and no other resistors. Remove the ceramic resistor. (see tip # 30)

Once you get the new coil and OEM ballast resistor installed, check out the distributor carefully.

Assuming that the bushings & advance weights are ok (*see below), & that you have correct voltage to the coil (battery voltage with the points open and about half that with the points closed), the problem is in the distributor.

Once you get the distributor on the bench, the first thing you need to check is bushing wear. If the shaft has any sideways movement AT ALL, the bushings must be replaced. (*** see below).

The most common electrical failure (no spark, weak spark) points on the front mount are:

1. The insulator under the brass concave head screw & where the copper strip attaches. (it?s fiber & will wear out; poke & prod w/ your meter leads to make sure it still works) If you need to replace the insulator, use a .250 x 3/8 nylon square nylon anchor nut available at most big box home stores

2. The pigtail at the bottom of the coil not making contact w/ the concave head brass screw inside the distributor. (With the coil on, the pigtail must firmly contact the brass screw. No contact = no spark

3. The copper strip is broken or grounded to the plate. (look very carefully for cracks & breaks).

4. The condenser wire grounding to the plate or side of the distributor.

5. The tab on the bottom of the coil not making contact w/ the brass button on the cap. (With the cap on, the tab must firmly contact the brass button. No contact = no spark.)

6. Incorrect positioning of the spring clip on the plate causing the pigtail to ground. (the open part of the clip goes between 7 & 9 o?clock on the plate. That puts the straight part of the clip opposite of the timing screw at 3 o?clock)

7. Incorrect seating of the coil on the distributor due to a loose bail or no gasket.(the coil must not move at all; if it does, replace the gasket or bail. Or stick some cardboard under the bail).

8. Water/moisture inside the cap due to gasket failure or the absence of a gasket. (the cap AND coil have gaskets)

9. Dirty/corroded/burned/incorrectly gapped or misaligned points. I use only Wells, Blue Streak or Echlin brand points (* *see below). If you are using quality points and cannot get the gap to open to .015, chances are you need to replace the bushings.

10. Burned rotor, cracked/carbon tracked cap.

After you find the problem & re-check the point gap, do a continuity check before you put the distributor back on the tractor. Before you start, make sure your meter/light works.

With the distributor still off the tractor, follow these steps:

1. Coil off, cap off, points open. One probe on the brass screw & the other on both sides of the open points. On the side closest to the cam, you should have continuity. Not on the other side! If you do, you will also have continuity everywhere because the points are grounded.

2. Coil off, cap off, points open. One probe on the brass screw & the other anywhere on the body of the distributor. You should have no continuity! Now, rotate the tang on the distributor....as the points open & close, you have continuity (closed) and lose it when they open.

3. Put the coil on the distributor, cap off, points open. One probe on the lead on the top of the coil, the other on the cam side of the open points. You should have continuity!

4. Coil on, cap off, points open. One probe on the lead on the top of the coil, the other anywhere on the body of the distributor. You should have no continuity!

At this point, I just put the distributor, coil & cap all back on the tractor as a unit. The reason I do this is because it is real easy to get the cap or coil misaligned trying to put it back together, one piece at a time. The result is something gets broken or you get a ?no spark? problem.

It's possible to put it back on wrong & break it. Look at the slot on the end of the cam shaft. Whatever angle it happens to be, turn the distributor tang to match it. Make sure you can tell the wide side from the narrow side on both the cam & distributor! (close counts). Place the distributor on the front of the engine, gently push it in place & slowly turn the distributor body until you feel the tang slip into the slot. Rotate the distributor body until the bolt holes line up. Hand tighten the two bolts until the distributor body is flush with the timing gear cover.


* Unscrew the plate hold down screw & remove the C clip to get the plate out. Remove the shaft & weights. The weights should freely move.


* *NAPA part numbers:

? Points: FD-6769X
? Condenser: FD-71
? Rotor: FD-104
? Cap: FD-126



*** There are three ways to replace the bushings in a front distributor:

1. Buy new bushings (part numbers 9N12120 front & 18-12132 rear). Press out the old ones, press in the new ones and ream to fit. CAUTION: do not try this unless you have a press & know how to use it. If you break the base, a new one costs $130. If you bend the tower which holds the front bushing, a new plate will cost you $30.

2. Take the new bushings and distributor to your local machine shop.

3. Send the distributor out for bushing replacement if you do not have a local machine shop.
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"should I get the 12 volt one and then would I do away with the resistor?"

You would get rid of the ceramic one but still need the OEM one.
Which works out well because it's used for the wiring connections anyway.
 
Well ,with all those ideas and suggestions I should be able to figure something out, or another option would be to go to the bank, borrow about $20,000 and buy something really useful. However, I don't see that as a option. Thanks for all your help guys.
 

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