got a surprise!

carvel minne farmer

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opened the box from stieners with the new manifold for the m-5 and found this :cry:
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will be chatting with stieners in the am. murphy has moved back in again :roll:
 
(quoted from post at 20:16:44 02/25/18) That looks like they didnt package it properly. They or the post office owe you
a new one.
the funny part alan is it was in a bigger box with 2 other continental manifolds that where poured in foam?? not a scratch on those.
 
Call Steiners. That happened to me about 10 years ago. I think I talked to UPS too. Anyway, they sent another manifold asap.
It was the exact same MM manifold, too, Only a different ear broken off of it.

I don't know if it was left when you weren't there or not, but if you are there when it comes and you receive a box from anybody and its damaged, make sure the delivery guy notes it in his notes. It sure helps when you have to file a claim.

Just a few weeks ago I received a pallet from one of our suppliers at work. The packing slip showed nine cases on the skid. I counted three times and only came up with six. I made the truck driver mad I guess by insisting that the receipt note that I only saw 6 cases on the skid while the packing slip showed nine.
 
(quoted from post at 21:49:52 02/25/18) That's not good hope they send you a new onw
GB in MN
yes I think your right MNGB I loaded it in the truck tonight will be taking it into a machine shop in the city I use for any machine work I need on welders, great people, and very good machinists. got thinking about all the hassle and money shipping back to stiener, arguing over who and how it got broke :roll: just a lot easier to take it into people who know what they are doing, get it fixed and be done with it. a lot less money,time and stress :lol:
 
Hi I think your on the right path get it repaired locally and your done with it, that was my first thought when I seen the picture that it could be repaired, good luck will be following your thrad to see how it turns out
GB in MN
 
(quoted from post at 11:23:15 02/27/18) Hi I think your on the right path get it repaired locally and your done with it, that was my first thought when I seen the picture that it could be repaired, good luck will be following your thrad to see how it turns out
GB in MN
thanks MNGB I dropped it off at clan machine and john looked it over, says he's not sure if its white cast but said it shouldn't be a problem to fix. just bring it up to red hot weld temp slowly, weld it up, and let it cool slowly, apparently he will put it in a hot oven after and gradually bring the temp down over 24 hours. I will post pics of it when I get it home.
 
Bummer. I bought this same manifold from my local IH dealer. It had a casting flaw that made me nervous, so I welded it up with non-machinable rod, using the cold method, and peining the passes. It spark tested as grey cast iron, and my repair was successful, so my best guess is that it is grey cast iron, rather than white. The manifold has been on my U model for probably eight or nine years, and hasn't given any trouble.
It sounds like your machine shop knows their stuff regarding cast iron. Welding cast iron is 10% knowledge, and 90% witchcraft, but their procedure sounds like a good bet. You may want to machine the intake and exhaust flange faces after annealing.
What a pain to have to repair brand new parts. unc
 
thanks unc, I do agree on the 10% skill and 90% witchcraft :lol: and your right about the pain part, but I got thinking yesterday and it's a lot less stress agrevation, and money just taking it to someone who knows what they are doing and getting it fixed right. now I have a question unc, you where say about spark testing the cast to see what it was? how do's that work?
 
A spark test is an educated guess as to what material you are working with. When you hold a piece of metal to a grinding wheel, or touch a grinder to a part, the appearance and quantity of sparks given off can help identify the material. I just punched in "spark test to identify metals", and a good chart came up at the top of the page. Wikipedia also gives a good description. It's not a foolproof test, but can help with mystery materials. Just for giggles, take an old chevy cylinder head, a small block exhaust manifold, and a piece of mild steel angle or flat bar into a dark corner of your shop. Touch each one with a grinder and you'll see the difference in the sparks. The small block exhaust manifold will probably be white cast iron, and give a smaller and weaker spark than the grey cast iron head.
I worked for a major spring and shank manufacturer, and we were constantly challenged to identify anything from mild steel to heat resisting alloys. A spark test saved my bacon on more than one occasion. unc
 
thank you unc I will check that out online and give it a try myself! once again I learn something new every time I come on here :lol: that's what makes this such a great site :)
 
update, called steiner this morning, talked to rae in shipping, sent her an email with the photo's of the 2 manifolds and the boxes, her first impression was they weren't packaged properly, she sent it upstairs to the shipping manager, so we will wait for his response and see what happens. the big mistake I made was when I ordered these in nov. the large box all 3 manifolds came in showed no sign of damage so I just put it in my parts room and when I went in last week to get the manifold out found the damage. I should have opened and inspected all 3 boxes :roll: oh well another life lesson learned.
 
(quoted from post at 22:10:35 03/09/18) That looks as good as new the machine shop knew what they were doing
GB in MN
MNGB I was very happy, john at clan machine is a very talented welder and machinist, very few shops will even look at a cast metal welding job. john said he v ground it out, heated it red hot, welded it with nichol rod, and then put it in a hot oven to cool down gradually overnight. then resurfaced carb face, just a touch up as it did not warp anywhere. as unc said its 10% skill and 90% wichcraft :lol:
 

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