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1937 ZTU 4 row cultivator

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morepower02

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The original brochure shows it handling one but at shows everyone says there is no way. I have it set up to match the literature but has anyone ever ran a Z with a 4row? When I was a kid we ran a 4 star with a 4 row but the hp difference is there. I am not farming with it but just matching the 37 literature.
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I ran a 4 row on a ZB and it worked fine. Dad (and most farmers around herein the 50's) ran a 2 row on a ZA. To really appreciate an MM cultivator you need to run an ABG cult. on a 2 cylinder John Deere and have to adjust depth with levers (no gauge wheels) like a did for a neighbor when I was a kid!!
 
Dad cultivated for YEARS with a '48 Z and a 4 row. Fond memories of "helping" put it on the tractor and taking it off in the 70s and 80s. The inner 2 row section had tires on the gauge wheels like wheel barrow tires (inner tubes) but the outer section had those flatter "modern" tubeless wheels so apparently they originally had a 2 row setup but later upgraded it. Also, there were 2 long rods running from the front of the tractor out to the very ends of the cultivator that yours does not have.

I cultivated with it a few times myself, remember getting lots of dirt blowing off the rear tires even with a raised seat that Dad had on there. We had a '69 IH 544 with a 4 row on the fast hitch I spent a lot more time running.

 
My dad cultivated for years with a ZAU and a 4 row. I agree, they had a brace
rod on each side going from a plate by where the crank goes in on the front of
the tractor, running out to the end of the cultivator frame. All the 4 rows
used those. They were available for years so Im betting they did work. My dad
said they were a bugger to steer and if you turned in a waterway and got stuck,
being the cultivator didnt lift very far off of the ground, you would have to
take the cultivator apart, carry it out, pull the tractor out, and then re
assemble it. Doesnt sound fun to me lol.
 
Dad bought our 1948 Z with a 4 row cultivator. Used it till in the 70s. Layed the corn by when about knee high in 4th gear. Nice size tractor to cultivate with. I don't know why any body would say it can't handle a 4row, unless they are plowing concrete straight uphill.
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I remember dad saying he would cultivate 3 times and a 4th time if time
permitted, with the corn touching the bottom of the headlights on the ZA. 4th
is moving right a long back then.
 
I ran those 2 row cultivators on Deeres for years without problems, did not even have the levers on at one time. Then the 4 row had the wheels and had on a late B with less power than that Z with no problems power wise and if you were moving no problen steering either. The second 4 row was on an A. The reason there were not more 4 row units were that the farms were not big enough for them to work.
 
To be a 37 would have to have been more a proto type than a prudction unit. I dont know when MM built their first 4 row planter but I am sure it was not before that and 37was first year for Z & U tractors. Deere did not produse a 4 row planter or cultivator untill 1937 when they brought out the G tractor. IHC had a 4 roe planter for a few years before but it only would fit I think the F30 that came out in 31. So I would think any of the cultivators would have had to have dated to at least 1938. I have one of the first 4 row planters ever built by Deere frtom 1937 to 1942 when the popular 490 was brought out. And they would not have put out a 4 row cultivator before they had the planter for the cultivator to follow. And you have to remember that at that time a large field was 10 acres, average 7-8 agres with a small field being 5 acres or less and in that sizes you could even if avaible you could not justify a 4 row unit. And I had fields down to 1/2 acre.
 
(quoted from post at 11:56:23 10/25/17) To be a 37 would have to have been more a proto type than a prudction unit. I dont know when MM built their first 4 row planter but I am sure it was not before that and 37was first year for Z & U tractors. Deere did not produse a 4 row planter or cultivator untill 1937 when they brought out the G tractor. IHC had a 4 roe planter for a few years before but it only would fit I think the F30 that came out in 31. So I would think any of the cultivators would have had to have dated to at least 1938. I have one of the first 4 row planters ever built by Deere frtom 1937 to 1942 when the popular 490 was brought out. And they would not have put out a 4 row cultivator before they had the planter for the cultivator to follow. And you have to remember that at that time a large field was 10 acres, average 7-8 agres with a small field being 5 acres or less and in that sizes you could even if avaible you could not justify a 4 row unit. And I had fields down to 1/2 acre.
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1937 flyer picture it is set up to match
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Sorry for the double pic. 3 4 row in 1937 at least in the 37 literature was an option. I am just trying to keep things correct and I get people at shows that say no way that pulls that.
 
My grandpa and his brother took two 4 rows and made a 6 row narrow out of them, used it on a ZAU though. Still have it, although not in the best of shape, part of it got crushed when the barn fell on top of it, the other part burnt when I lit the barn that was on top of it that I couldn't get to.
 
(quoted from post at 17:26:19 10/17/17) The original brochure shows it handling one but at shows everyone says there is no way. I have it set up to match the literature but has anyone ever ran a Z with a 4row? When I was a kid we ran a 4 star with a 4 row but the hp difference is there. I am not farming with it but just matching the 37 literature.
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"Z" should handle a 4 row cultivator nicely. I have a 1937 "JT" that I cultivated with a four row for four years 1972 to 1975. I went in third gear the first time over and 4th gear the second time over. In fourth gear it gave the "JE" engine a pretty good load but it was was not overloaded, and it never overheated, even in 90 degree heat.
 
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