What killed Oliver

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I recently watched the video on utube " what killed Oliver",very informative. There was no mention of the troubles MM/White had with the 585 engine.( oil pump chewing off the cam gear) This was a MM engine and when White took over production decisions in 1962, they started putting these engines in the Oliver and White tractors. I have a G 1350 with the 585 engine but it has a MM tranny, rear end etc and a MM front axle. This tractor was the same as the Oliver 2155 and was produced only one year.
A former White dealer used to tell the story that these engines were sabotaged by the union workers as some sort of payback to White for basically running MM into the ground. Does anyone know the real story here or is this just someone's perseption.?
This recall to put external oil pumps on the 585 must have cost White a lot of money , similar to the 1855 oil cooling problems, which would have strained their finances even further.
 
Oliver employees didn't take kindly of using a MM product in their tractors. The 585 was a
very advanced motor and probably would still be in production today. Initial problem was
there wasn't proper lubrication on cam. Actually all it needed was an additional oil
gallery to feed cam. Some motors block drilled out and still use the original oil pump
setup.
 
I find that allegation by a dealer of "sabotage by union employees" to be highly suspect. Not only do the vast majority of union workers take pride in their work, they also know from where and why their pay check comes on Friday and good work from them keeps it coming. Poor engineering has been purposed to be the initial ailment of that particular engine and engineers are very seldom union workers in any industry. gm
 
Well part of the 585 problem was time. The designer was
given 6 months to complete the motor and white expected it to
be perfect on the first try. They obviously have their
weaknesses and I think that had white given the designers
more time to build the motor it would have been the most
indestructible most reliable engine of those times. And yes it is
true that white screwed mm over. They screwed Oliver over
too by cutting off dealerships. They only sold these tractors I
believe at white dealerships and laid off thousands of workers
in Hopkins and Charles city.
 
(quoted from post at 23:21:09 01/05/17) Well part of the 585 problem was time. The designer was
given 6 months to complete the motor and white expected it to
be perfect on the first try. They obviously have their
weaknesses and I think that had white given the designers
more time to build the motor it would have been the most
indestructible most reliable engine of those times. And yes it is
true that white screwed mm over. They screwed Oliver over
too by cutting off dealerships. They only sold these tractors I
believe at white dealerships and laid off thousands of workers
in Hopkins and Charles city.
Thanks, you guys have been a wealth of knowledge.
 

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