Ever get the feeling when working on a machine that maybe the engineers weren't the guys that graduated at the head of the class. Way smarter and more qualified guys than me for sure but ever replace the lower radiator hose on a Jet Star 3? I'm probably missing something but I don't see how it can be done without removing the radiator, the lower radiator connection is otherwise inaccessible.
 
I am an engineer, and will not dispute that theory. I believe that ALL engineers should spend the first year working on the equipment that they will design later. I seems that industry tends to do that backwards and has the low cost new engineers work on designs.
 
(quoted from post at 11:03:59 10/02/15) Ever get the feeling when working on a machine that maybe the engineers weren't the guys that graduated at the head of the class. Way smarter and more qualified guys than me for sure but ever replace the lower radiator hose on a Jet Star 3? I'm probably missing something but I don't see how it can be done without removing the radiator, the lower radiator connection is otherwise inaccessible.

Yes that was one of their better moves along with the coolant tubes between the heads and blocks on those engines.

That hose can usually be removed with a nut driver or universal socket as long as the person who installed the clamp installed it at an angle you can get to through the small slot. A ratchet wrench sometimes works. Most of ours have nice notch cut into the radiator support for this reason and that makes it much easier.
 
From 1971>2011 I was with a Corporation who's Philosophy radically changed like a sin wave in who knows what and who is required in a firm so as a corporation can successfully and safely meet their targets . I seen only to often capable trades personal do what they thought was their best, only to cause severe damage and ultimate death.
In 1996 a movement through out the Natural Gas Pipeline (whom at that time I had been with for 25 years) started to be implemented with a philosophy that Trades personal must understand why Engineers are required and that Engineers must take on an equal responsible Trades person on all upgrades and new installations.
As I am Government Licenced in three trades and a holder of a 4th class power engineers papers, I was asked to spend four years attached to Engineering. I am certainly a much more professional trades person for the opportunity I was given. I can assure you every installation of newly constructed Gas Pipeline "Compressor Station" is now USER FRIENDLY. Whether be the Location of the HMI's ,the HAZOP format, Fall Arrest points, egress points, Sound Deadening, etc,etc,etc,
I most likely shall never be in a position to implement work place and philosophy changes between Trades and Engineering personal. If I were, trades people would have a component with in their apprenticeship that would make mandatory Inter phasing with Engineering and the same with Engineers would be in Coveralls with the trades personal.
I m able to call on Engineers from my past whom always assist me in doing an Engineering calculation or give me their take on the challenge at hand.

Bob......
 
I'm a manufacturing engineer and I often find myself asking the question of how did they assemble that in the factory. The JS3 lower rad hose is a good example. I have found that there is a small hole in the RH panel that lines up with the hose clamp as long as it was reinstalled correctly the last time it was removed. If it wasn't then you're SOL.
 
The engineers that have what it takes quickly graduate to project management, ie herding the turkeys, not crunching numbers...
 
My experienced impression of post-war British automotive design leads me to speculate that during the war, all of them were in the same building, and it was hit by a German blockbuster.
 
Ive often wondered about the tube between the blocks. You can repair one head or one block but you couldn't take just one off like you could with the other MMs.
 
What I've found over the years is, just because they call themselves "engineers", doesn't mean they know anything about designing. Like the idiot that designed the hole in the deck of a Rhino brush hog for access to the nut to remove the blade bolt nut from the top. Oh, he got the hole big enough for the three quarters drive socket to go thru to the area that the nut is in, but he put a three eights plate right next to the edge of the hole so you can't get the three quarter drive extension over far enough to get the socket on the nut, so you have to pull about a hundred and fifty pounds of iron off from the bottom to get at the nut to change the blades.
 
I was just thinking the same thing tonight while working on my 1938 Z. It has the early cast double flange pulley, as it has electric start. There is barely any room between the pin on the end of the hand crank and the face of the pulley. It took a lot of wiggling and some forcing with a big screw driver, but I finally got the new belts through there. The fan belt was the worst. I decided I was NOT going to take the pedestal loose just to replace the belts!

It seems like one of the brake pedal adjusters on the 5 Star through M670 series tractors is just about impossible to adjust due to the poor design of the pedal. I could go on and on. MM had a lot of good, solid and dependable tractors, but was never very good at refining them. It got worse after 1957...it was no longer about producing a good, innovative product, but instead about how much money they could squeeze out of the company with as little input as possible. The White years was the same story.
 
The corporation had four name changes in my 39+ years
WestCoast Transmission 1957>1989?
WestCoast Energy 1989>1997?
Duke Energy 1997>2001?
Spectra Energy 2001>
They owned / operated and maintained 30",36" and now 40"+ Mainline with Compression appox, every 60 Miles. Also they own and operate several large gas Processing plants and hundreds of miles of feeder lines. Although a smaller Company we moved 2 Billion cubic feet per /24 hr day. Check out the Internet. The Pipeline for the most part travels NORTH>SOUTH through Western Canada's province of British Columbia crosses the USA/CANADA Border into Washington State at HUNTINGTON.
I am still asked to perform Inspections on the GE LM1500 CLASS, the ROLLS ROYCE SPEY Gas Generators, and if asked too the LM2500 Class.
If you Google S&S Turbines I've been known to hang out at their Test Cell. "Whiteness Test Runs on Customers Gas Generators".
Bob........
 
I don't mean to be smart, but how can you work on something that hasn't been designed yet? I agree after a prototype unit is built they should have to service it,or take it apart and put it back together. Since you are an engineer let me ask you, do you think that the computer programs that are use nowadays helps to eliminate some of these hindrances?
MMDEL
 
Ive noticed the plug to remove on the M5s to adjust the pto clutch is just far enough back that you cant get it out lol...was a good thought though.
 
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