Wide front swap?

RC Brooks

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This was ID'd over on the Farmall thread as a Moline wide front. I'd like to trade for a Schwartz (heavy duty) or a factory IH wide front if anyone might be interested.

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Are there part numbers cast into the caps that hold the axle together where it slides out. It looks really close to a MM front end but I'm not sure if it is.
 
Modify my earlier response. The axle is likely a MM, but that 4 bolt bracket that's being the pivot point is not MM
 
Yes, I'll get the numbers tonight. I had looked at Norden's but didn't look like the this one. I'll get that number tonight.
 
I agree. Looks like an MM wide front with exception of the center mounting bracket. At first glance the center brace on the top of the tube looks puzzling as most all the MM ones Ive seen are straight out, not tapered. Im betting this one had been cut down to fit the bracket because if it went straight out like an MM axle would it wouldn't oscillate enough. Not a Jet Star series from the looks of it as they didn't have the half moon irons on the bottom by the hubs.
 
(quoted from post at 17:47:49 02/05/15) I agree. Looks like an MM wide front with exception of the center mounting bracket. At first glance the center brace on the top of the tube looks puzzling as most all the MM ones Ive seen are straight out, not tapered. Im betting this one had been cut down to fit the bracket because if it went straight out like an MM axle would it wouldn't oscillate enough. Not a Jet Star series from the looks of it as they didn't have the half moon irons on the bottom by the hubs.

The center bracket looks to be off a schwartz or similar. I bet you're right about them cutting it down. They did a clean job of it. Dressed it. Can't tell it was cut.
 
That is what I was thinking about the center bracket. If you compare J. Wondergem's M5 picture, that is the way the top piece is on most all the MM wide fronts. If it was that way it wouldn't have much if any oscillation up and down. Im betting the one you have was cut down. I agree it must be a U302 or 670 one as the earlier ones didn't have the half moon piece of iron on the bottom of the spindles by the thrust bearing. I think that started in 1964 or shortly after.
 
That is a fine looking axle.Well installed,too.So
why trade?Is it broke?worn out? But,hey,I have a '44 JD A with a Farmall M
front on it.I rather like it. It will stay
 
(quoted from post at 07:15:14 02/06/15) That is a fine looking axle.Well installed,too.So
why trade?Is it broke?worn out? But,hey,I have a '44 JD A with a Farmall M
front on it.I rather like it. It will stay

My main issue with it is the lack of movement. In some ways it is nice, but our compound hills can make a challenge sometimes.
 
(quoted from post at 17:53:20 02/06/15) Yes it one off a M670 and it looks to be tough to to
get around hilly country not much in the way for
the axle to pivot.

Yes, I worry that too much weight on just one wheel could snap a spindle.
 
I was wrong. Maybe no wants to swap front ends right now but a bunch of people helped decide what you have. Maybe you could trim out the sides of the bracket that bolts to the tractor with a torch and get enough pivot on the front.

The U-302 & M-602 and most likely the M-670 have no restictions on the side of the brackets (see pages out of manuals) and they have no issues on side hills. They are 50&Plus & 64& Plus Horsepower and more with the M-670 so breaking an axle or other parts should not be a concern with MM parts. Good solid parts and they are completely dependable when and where they show up. Cleddy
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