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08-24-2013 13:10:31

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It may be, but ser. # looks fishy to me. numbers i have sayes 1938 310026 to 310500 and 310626 to 310646. That's for UT series all versions

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08-24-2013 22:40:57

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 Re: red nose U puller in reply to Dieselbear, 08-24-2013 13:10:31  
Did anyone notice the tag is aluminum? Moline used brass tags until early in the 1940 production. Who knows, maybe this was once a UDLX demo unit or something. Maybe sent back to the factory to be made into a row crop tractor and then re-sold??? Very interesting. Remember, these cabbed tractors were hard to sell at that time.

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08-25-2013 05:26:15

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 Re: red nose U puller in reply to Heath72, 08-24-2013 22:40:57  
UDLX had brass tags. All red nose UTS used alumimun on transmission and brass on motor.

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08-25-2013 11:39:39

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 Re: red nose U puller in reply to Molinegb, 08-25-2013 05:26:15  

Well.....I hate to prove you wrong on this one but here is a picture of the tag on a UTS parts tractor that I picked up in southern Iowa. Its Brass.

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08-25-2013 15:18:55

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 Re: red nose U puller in reply to M.Genrich, 08-25-2013 11:39:39  
All 7 of mine are aluminum! I supsect your serial tag was restamped. If you look at the numerals they are not a clean stamp. Especially on the 0's. Why? Nobody ever will know. I have a 5 Star with similar stamping. Nobody has ever deciphered serial number. Your U is the same but shares a UDLX #. Possibile rear end is from a UDLX. The rearends were very similar except for countershaft setup for UDLX. You should keep it as orginal as possible and preserve it.

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08-25-2013 16:41:15

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 Re: red nose U puller in reply to molinegb, 08-25-2013 15:18:55  
Thanks Molinegb and ed for taking the time to do the home work on my tractor. Now that I have you confused, How about a uni harvester factory equipped with an re engine? or a nice unrestored ubu with a red grill?

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08-24-2013 13:30:38

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 Re: red nose U puller in reply to Dieselbear, 08-24-2013 13:10:31  
Serial tag doesn't look like any of my red nose U's. Original tags had MM in black. The UTU was not used in model number. It would be just a UT and the U following the serial identifies type.

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08-25-2013 07:51:27

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 Re: red nose U puller in reply to Molinegb, 08-24-2013 13:30:38  
Sheldon Knutson had a 39 UTU Red nose that was listed in books as part of UTS s/n grouping - but tag appeared to be original and clearly said UTU 312089 U. I"m thinking they did a few odd singles that did not get recorded properly.

A 38 UTU would presumably have been a prototype - it would be interesting to look at front parts unique to tricycle configuration for any indication they were pre-production parts. Also if you have original rear wheel castings check casting numbers.

And for engine, look for KEA, KEC, KED prefix and/or A, C, or D suffix. But in my opinion a 539xxx s/n engine should be preserved if not restored.

Best, Ed

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08-25-2013 10:58:36

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 Re: red nose U puller in reply to MMEd, 08-25-2013 07:51:27  
Im stating to think the production figures are off or something. I had a chance to buy a nice red nose row crop u puller twenty years ago that was in central Mo. that had a 310___ tag but as I recall it was stamped UT. I didn't have the money at that time. Ten years ago I found another in central Minn. with the 310___ number but it was in the hands of a small collector and he wouldent sell it. And I haven't seen them but I have herd from a reliable source that there are two in Ohio. I have been keeping a eye open for a row crop with a 1938 tag for several years and a car/hotrodder frend of mine found this one by chance on an auction and saved it from scrap. I think we will continue to pull with this tractor but will save all the original parts and wont disfigure it. Mabie somebody will be able to crack this nut in the future. Thanks to all for the help. Mike

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08-25-2013 15:53:00

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 Re: red nose U puller in reply to M.Genrich, 08-25-2013 10:58:36  
Peterson-Beemer list shows 310001-025 UDLX
310026-500 UTS (1938)
310501-625 UDLX
310626-646 UTS (1938)
310647-950 UTS (1939)
310951-311150 first UTU (1939)
311151-350 UTS (1939)
311351-550 UTU (1939)
311551-312450 UTS (1940)

Lloyd McCray's list is consistent with respect to UDLX but shows other tractors in the early time frame only as U and does not distinguish UTS vs UTU. McCray's list also show engine s/n 1938 KEA 531754-532842
1937 KEC & KED 540001-540025
1938 KEC & KED 540026-540575
1939 KEC 540701-542553

No indication of any engines between 532842 and 540001 - so as I said it would be very interesting to know any prefix or suffix associated with a 539xxx motor.

Brian Rukes s/n list for 1938 is consistent with other lists showing 310510 should be a UDLX - so best I could say is it may have been a prototype for the narrow front UTU configuration.

If you come across any more 310xxx narrow front UTU, please note S/N and Engine S/N and post here.

Best, Ed

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