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Molinegb

08-24-2013 11:33:33
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Also UTU's were not made in 1938




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Jayson-Ia

08-24-2013 13:51:07
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 Re: red nose U puller in reply to Molinegb, 08-24-2013 11:33:33  
He wasn't looking for all of the correct police to chime in, he was stating he made a fun tractor to pull with. I think it is great to have a competitive tractor to pull with minimal invested. The serial numbers state that 310026-310645 were 1938's. Give the guy a break and maybe he won't criticize everything you do in the future.



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M.Genrich

08-24-2013 14:12:51
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 Re: red nose U puller in reply to Jayson-Ia, 08-24-2013 13:51:07  
Thanks man!!



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M.Genrich

08-24-2013 13:30:03
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 Re: red nose U puller in reply to Molinegb, 08-24-2013 11:33:33  

A frend of mine found the tractor on an auction a couple hours north of me in Minnesota and sent me a few pictures of it before he bought it for me. For the sake of conversation I thought I would include the one of the pictures he sent me of the engine. The only other pics I have are of the grill and the mag side of the engine but this pretty well shows the original manifold and carb set up. It doesn't have a notch for the air cleaner in the hood??? Who knows???

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Molinegb

08-24-2013 16:53:49
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 Re: red nose U puller in reply to M.Genrich, 08-24-2013 13:30:03  
Can you post original motor serial # ? Books show first UTU 1939 sn 310951 to 311150 in first batch. Second batch 311351-550. Total of only 400 made in 1939. A very collectibile tractor.In 1938 UDLX,UOPN and UTS shared the numbers 310001- 310646.



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M.Genrich

08-24-2013 18:05:46
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 Re: red nose U puller in reply to Molinegb, 08-24-2013 16:53:49  
the tag isn't in very good shape and I couldent get a good picture of it but I think Its #539273. Does that sound right?



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Molinegb

08-24-2013 18:53:28
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 Re: red nose U puller in reply to M.Genrich, 08-24-2013 18:05:46  
I have a 38 UTS. Serial number 310159 motor number 540203. Mine is one of the first ever made. Your motor may be a KTA motor. I'll do more research in AM.



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M.Genrich

08-24-2013 20:31:50
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 Re: red nose U puller in reply to Molinegb, 08-24-2013 18:53:28  
I wondered about that so I scratched around on the original engine(or at least the engine I took out) and found no trace of gray paint, and I don't know, but did a kta have a starter hole in the crank case?



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Molinegb

08-25-2013 05:33:14
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 Re: red nose U puller in reply to M.Genrich, 08-24-2013 20:31:50  
Is the motor a KEC or KED? There were 25 U experimentals made in 1936-37 but they had a 5 digit serial number.



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M.Genrich

08-24-2013 12:51:37
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 Re: red nose U puller in reply to Molinegb, 08-24-2013 11:33:33  

I cut the hole in the hood for the air cleaner pipe and I have the original air cleaner assy. and the s shaped air pipe. This is a pulling tractor not a restored original and I never said it was stock. Yes the carb faces the wrong way because its a larger zenith bolted to a M5 lp manifold. As for the age, the tag reads UTU 310510U. This tractor isn't correct and I never intended for it to be. A picture is worth a thousand words!

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MM Book Worm

08-24-2013 15:29:24
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 Re: red nose U puller in reply to M.Genrich, 08-24-2013 12:51:37  
That serial number (310510) falls into the UDLX series of numbers. You may want to do a little research on the history of that tractor.



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M.Genrich

08-24-2013 16:26:17
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 Re: red nose U puller in reply to MM Book Worm, 08-24-2013 15:29:24  
By god you right book worm. That's interesting, thanks for pointing that out. Its no UDLX but it goes down the road like one!



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Dieselbear

08-24-2013 13:10:31
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 Re: red nose U puller in reply to M.Genrich, 08-24-2013 12:51:37  
It may be, but ser. # looks fishy to me. numbers i have sayes 1938 310026 to 310500 and 310626 to 310646. That's for UT series all versions



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Heath72

08-24-2013 22:40:57
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 Re: red nose U puller in reply to Dieselbear, 08-24-2013 13:10:31  
Did anyone notice the tag is aluminum? Moline used brass tags until early in the 1940 production. Who knows, maybe this was once a UDLX demo unit or something. Maybe sent back to the factory to be made into a row crop tractor and then re-sold??? Very interesting. Remember, these cabbed tractors were hard to sell at that time.



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Molinegb

08-25-2013 05:26:15
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 Re: red nose U puller in reply to Heath72, 08-24-2013 22:40:57  
UDLX had brass tags. All red nose UTS used alumimun on transmission and brass on motor.



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M.Genrich

08-25-2013 11:39:39
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 Re: red nose U puller in reply to Molinegb, 08-25-2013 05:26:15  

Well.....I hate to prove you wrong on this one but here is a picture of the tag on a UTS parts tractor that I picked up in southern Iowa. Its Brass.



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molinegb

08-25-2013 15:18:55
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 Re: red nose U puller in reply to M.Genrich, 08-25-2013 11:39:39  
All 7 of mine are aluminum! I supsect your serial tag was restamped. If you look at the numerals they are not a clean stamp. Especially on the 0's. Why? Nobody ever will know. I have a 5 Star with similar stamping. Nobody has ever deciphered serial number. Your U is the same but shares a UDLX #. Possibile rear end is from a UDLX. The rearends were very similar except for countershaft setup for UDLX. You should keep it as orginal as possible and preserve it.

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M.Genrich

08-25-2013 16:41:15
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 Re: red nose U puller in reply to molinegb, 08-25-2013 15:18:55  
Thanks Molinegb and ed for taking the time to do the home work on my tractor. Now that I have you confused, How about a uni harvester factory equipped with an re engine? or a nice unrestored ubu with a red grill?



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Molinegb

08-24-2013 13:30:38
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 Re: red nose U puller in reply to Dieselbear, 08-24-2013 13:10:31  
Serial tag doesn't look like any of my red nose U's. Original tags had MM in black. The UTU was not used in model number. It would be just a UT and the U following the serial identifies type.



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MMEd

08-25-2013 07:51:27
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 Re: red nose U puller in reply to Molinegb, 08-24-2013 13:30:38  
Sheldon Knutson had a 39 UTU Red nose that was listed in books as part of UTS s/n grouping - but tag appeared to be original and clearly said UTU 312089 U. I"m thinking they did a few odd singles that did not get recorded properly.

A 38 UTU would presumably have been a prototype - it would be interesting to look at front parts unique to tricycle configuration for any indication they were pre-production parts. Also if you have original rear wheel castings check casting numbers.

And for engine, look for KEA, KEC, KED prefix and/or A, C, or D suffix. But in my opinion a 539xxx s/n engine should be preserved if not restored.

Best, Ed

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M.Genrich

08-25-2013 10:58:36
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 Re: red nose U puller in reply to MMEd, 08-25-2013 07:51:27  
Im stating to think the production figures are off or something. I had a chance to buy a nice red nose row crop u puller twenty years ago that was in central Mo. that had a 310___ tag but as I recall it was stamped UT. I didn't have the money at that time. Ten years ago I found another in central Minn. with the 310___ number but it was in the hands of a small collector and he wouldent sell it. And I haven't seen them but I have herd from a reliable source that there are two in Ohio. I have been keeping a eye open for a row crop with a 1938 tag for several years and a car/hotrodder frend of mine found this one by chance on an auction and saved it from scrap. I think we will continue to pull with this tractor but will save all the original parts and wont disfigure it. Mabie somebody will be able to crack this nut in the future. Thanks to all for the help. Mike

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MMEd

08-25-2013 15:53:00
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 Re: red nose U puller in reply to M.Genrich, 08-25-2013 10:58:36  
Peterson-Beemer list shows 310001-025 UDLX
310026-500 UTS (1938)
310501-625 UDLX
310626-646 UTS (1938)
310647-950 UTS (1939)
310951-311150 first UTU (1939)
311151-350 UTS (1939)
311351-550 UTU (1939)
311551-312450 UTS (1940)

Lloyd McCray's list is consistent with respect to UDLX but shows other tractors in the early time frame only as U and does not distinguish UTS vs UTU. McCray's list also show engine s/n 1938 KEA 531754-532842
1937 KEC & KED 540001-540025
1938 KEC & KED 540026-540575
1939 KEC 540701-542553

No indication of any engines between 532842 and 540001 - so as I said it would be very interesting to know any prefix or suffix associated with a 539xxx motor.

Brian Rukes s/n list for 1938 is consistent with other lists showing 310510 should be a UDLX - so best I could say is it may have been a prototype for the narrow front UTU configuration.

If you come across any more 310xxx narrow front UTU, please note S/N and Engine S/N and post here.

Best, Ed

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