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billy39

09-08-2012 19:51:25




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i saw some videos and posts about some big cube diesels i got a little derailed with the smack talk lol. but im toying with the idea. i do not have much experience with mm diesels but i am going to be dragging home my new project a gvi diesel in the next week or two. i have some parts collected i was planning on building a big short jug gas engine but the diesel could be fun. what do you guys think?

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Dalet

09-19-2012 21:24:13




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 Re: big cube diesels in reply to ILL John, 09-08-2012 19:51:25  
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If you really and truly do have this tractor, please write on paper YTD and hold it and take a picture.

I don't really think you have the tractor because you don't respect the name of one of the premier diesel engine inventors/modifiers and manufacturers out there.



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1965lonewolf

09-21-2012 16:48:27




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 Re: big cube diesels in reply to Dalet, 09-19-2012 21:24:13  
are you talking about me or somebody else ? i own this tractor, so whats the problem ?



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1965lonewolf

09-12-2012 17:56:19




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 Re: big cube diesels in reply to billy39, 09-08-2012 19:51:25  

here is a picture of my diesel mm , just thought i would out it on here



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mightymolinekid

09-13-2012 05:49:11




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 Re: big cube diesels in reply to 1965lonewolf, 09-12-2012 17:56:19  
Beautiful ride! I like how your front axle setup looks. I've been trying to come up with something that nice for my G705. If you're willing to share, I'm listening lol!



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1965lonewolf

09-21-2012 16:50:08




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 Re: big cube diesels in reply to mightymolinekid, 09-13-2012 05:49:11  
made it from combine parts and pieces.



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mightymolinekid

09-13-2012 05:48:35




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 Re: big cube diesels in reply to 1965lonewolf, 09-12-2012 17:56:19  
Beautiful ride! I like how your front axle setup looks. I've been trying to come up with something that nice for my G705. If you're willing to share, I'm listening lol!



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billy39

09-12-2012 18:36:15




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 Re: big cube diesels in reply to 1965lonewolf, 09-12-2012 17:56:19  
Thats a nice machine



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BenAlbert

09-11-2012 19:40:53




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 Re: big cube diesels in reply to billy39, 09-08-2012 19:51:25  
Not a big cube, but pulls well.



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MM diesel

09-11-2012 08:34:54




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 Re: big cube diesels in reply to billy39, 09-08-2012 19:51:25  

I tend to tinker more with the diesels. I can beat many tractors that have more cubes, but I know my limits. I can get my UB diesel down to 6500 pounds, but I almost always pull in 1st gear. I don't have the hp to jump to 2nd gear. I intended to build it really bad with some 5.125 pistons, but I couldn't make that work, so I went to some stock MM pistons. That was 12 years ago, and I have had fun with it ever since. Most of the pulls I attend give a trophy thats worth about $5, but its fun to beat the red and green tractors. Its important to keep the fun in this tractor pulling thing.
Remember that power is not the only variable for a good pull. You also need good traction and a well balanced tractor. The G1000 FWA was really neat to pull as a demonstration. having the front wheels helping, changes the whole traction equation. You just can't make a gas tractor smoke like that. Happy pulling everybody!!!

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mightymolinekid

09-10-2012 15:48:31




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 Re: big cube diesels in reply to billy39, 09-08-2012 19:51:25  
In reply to MMUBMM...nobody has been arguing that point. It's been said, if you read all the posts, that a big cube gas engine is the biggest bang for your buck and that a diesel will cost more to build for "roughly" the same power. It's apparent that you are an avid MM diesel hater all the way. YES they are harder to get good power out of. The key is unlocking their potential,they are a different animal all together, and nothing you would do to set up any other color diesel will work. You want something different that's fun to pull? Try a big cube MM diesel. What does it take to be competitive in a 4 MPH class, keeping up with 600 cube John Deere G's and 420 cube farmalls? There's a 4 banger UB diesel running around Eastern WI that's doing it. Yep, it's mine. A big cube gasser would be better power and less work, but not near as much fun. Oh look everyone, there's a Moline...I bet it's big cubes like everyone else...yep big deal just another big MM...hey wait a minute...that's a diesel, let's go take a look. I have more fun talking about my tractor with the people before and after the pull than I would carrying around a 1st place trophy. You want a shelf full of 1st place trophies? Build a big cube MM gasser. You want a cell phone contact list full of new friends that think your tractor is pretty damn cool? Build something different. I can't sit and drink beers and talk foolish with my trophies...but if you can, you have fun with that, I'll be over here tweaking on my damn Moline diesel...

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MMUBMM

09-10-2012 18:09:51




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 Re: big cube diesels in reply to mightymolinekid, 09-10-2012 15:48:31  
I said that a gas or LP will be cheeper to build than a diesel. Where do you get that I hate diesels? When did I say that something different, like a diesel, was bad? You want him to build a diesel but then a gasser comes along and beats him.Is that good advice?



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mightymolinekid

09-11-2012 06:05:33




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 Re: big cube diesels in reply to MMUBMM, 09-10-2012 18:09:51  
I apologize for being accusatory, you did not say those things. What lit my fire was the first comment, "you'll spend twice as much for half the power" that statement is not true. I was not arguing against your main point however. Re-read my posts, I agreed 100% that gas or LP would have more HP per dollar spent, and would be a lot easier to do. You ask if my advice to build a diesel is good advice when he will get beat by a gas engine. My question then is, since the class I run is dominated by a big cube Farmall M, should we all build one of those? My advice was an encouragement to be different, and I said if the guy wants 1st place trophies, build a big cube MM gas or LP, build a big cube Farmall M, build a glider out of bed sheets and popsicle sticks and sail off over the grand canyon, whatever he wants to do. There has been quite a bit of discussion on diesels lately, and the negative talk has gotten to me I guess. I apologize for ranting...I just hate to see guys scared off from doing something different by negative comments and false information. And NO I'm not accusing anyone of those things but what I've found in building my big cube diesel, is the lack of honest answers by certain people who are supposed to be "in the know".

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pplowboy

09-10-2012 15:32:09




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 Re: big cube diesels in reply to billy39, 09-08-2012 19:51:25  
Thats right cool!!! Not everyone wants one. But when u tak m.m. deisels. Some shy away..i found guys jus want help. Make it run..jus say they help.on it...its cool!!!! Its different..if you want one.. an building not as bad as u think..lots over counter parts. Can be put in it..if aint got money.. good used parts work till u get money for the new parts..we have to be different..we got a gas one here. Doesnt pull much now...we gotta roll coal..with m.m..already desighnin second engine for our ron perry rear.. jus my two cents.. we pullin at a trac. People come to look at the yellow deisel...we won.... lol havent unloaded it yet...lol

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billy39

09-10-2012 17:19:23




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 Re: big cube diesels in reply to pplowboy, 09-10-2012 15:32:09  
what are diesel jugs and pistons going for? i have parts collected to do the gas build already(crank,heads,manifolds,etc.) i could just shift gears and stay diesel powered . maybe sell or trade off some stuff.



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pplowboy

09-11-2012 16:13:38




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 Re: big cube diesels in reply to billy39, 09-10-2012 17:19:23  
Hey billie. Maybe this help ya.parts goin to varydo to area your in. Maybe jugs big hole gona cost ya 75 -150. When u get the jugs look at the center stud hole , prone for cracks, problem before use that jug. Wher they are an shipping.but as soon u start looking. More names an no. For parts will come as u look for the parts.. you gvi heads are problie tighter chambers heads..u could find newer heads. Flow better air but if you run close to stock. Your heads work. But you could get $500 apease in heads. Maybe more or less on the cost you machinist. Used pistons might run 60$ new one arnt cheap.150 -...maybe you want custom.. may get 350 apease in them... are you goin use 6" crank.. then piston,an rod combination. Is a queistion. U want new m.m. rods.but if you use gas crank. Rod journal different size. But easily over this issue. How many rpms u want turn? Thats a factor..my area ther no minnies parts are hard to find..jus some ideas on prices giv ya some ideas.hope this helps.im sure other guys on here can lead ya to parts to.may find what you need cheap to get ya pullin

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mm585

09-10-2012 13:23:49




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 Re: big cube diesels in reply to billy39, 09-08-2012 19:51:25  
Everybody and there dog pulls a gas or lp tractor and there is nothing wrong with that, But a big cube moline diesel......well......YOU CANT PUT A PRICE ON COOL!!!!!!!



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MMUBMM

09-10-2012 07:09:35




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 Re: big cube diesels in reply to billy39, 09-08-2012 19:51:25  
Bottom line: Gas or LP will be cheaper to build than a diesel and will have more horsepower.



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BenAlbert

09-10-2012 18:24:22




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 Re: big cube diesels in reply to MMUBMM, 09-10-2012 07:09:35  
Why would a gas have so much more power? I run a 504 diesel and pull pretty even with a 605HD on LP. I know the 605 has had quite a bit of work done. My 504 is more stock than most pullers.



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Dieselbear

09-10-2012 18:14:53




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 Re: big cube diesels in reply to MMUBMM, 09-10-2012 07:09:35  
I tell you what . I'll put my GB up against any gasser of the same cubes , any day. I have beat many stock 800's with it.



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billy39

09-12-2012 15:21:13




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 Re: big cube diesels in reply to Dieselbear, 09-10-2012 18:14:53  
dieselbear is there an email to reach you at. we talked before but i lost my emails id like to bend your ear a bit. thanks,Billy



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Molineone

09-10-2012 14:02:46




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 Re: big cube diesels in reply to MMUBMM, 09-10-2012 07:09:35  
Not everyone wants the same tractor that everyone else has. It doesn't work for everyone to just blend into the same boring herd. As long as it works for you I guess...



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Dieselbear

09-09-2012 19:28:30




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 Re: big cube diesels in reply to billy39, 09-08-2012 19:51:25  
Here"s a big cube natural asp. diesel for you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbXws2SyGyY



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billy39

09-10-2012 05:47:09




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 Re: big cube diesels in reply to Dieselbear, 09-09-2012 19:28:30  
thats what im talkin about dieselbear. cool!



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pplowboy

09-09-2012 16:14:22




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 Re: big cube diesels in reply to billy39, 09-08-2012 19:51:25  
I think minnie be fun.. u won before you ever hooked to the sled. Red or green jus another red one or green on in the crowd.crowds wamts see the odd ones. Or diffrrent ones. You gotta deside what class an clubs pull for..so to get pull.in areas you want to pull.all rule are not the same. None turbo be cool.. 6"crank. 4 13/16 pistons.. make tuff puller..but you could go bigger.. but then how much money. You want spend. Be nise a big minnie. But life of the block be comes a issue.. curiuos how big u think u need to be?? What kinda tractor you goin to pull against? In this n/a class

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billy39

09-09-2012 18:46:05




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 Re: big cube diesels in reply to pplowboy, 09-09-2012 16:14:22  
my uncle has a big u also plowboy the gvi is my project . ive worked on the u a lot just never a minnie diesel



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billy39

09-09-2012 18:33:46




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 Re: big cube diesels in reply to pplowboy, 09-09-2012 16:14:22  
im going to be setting it up to pull 7500 and 9500 enhanced farm. it is 2800 rpm limit no pace class non turbo unless factory stock. mostly 4010s run in it . i was planning on doing a 650 ish gasser. just thinking that keeping it diesel could be fun too



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mightymolinekid

09-09-2012 13:44:44




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 Re: big cube diesels in reply to billy39, 09-08-2012 19:51:25  

Here's one in Ohio that runs div 5 with COATPA. The class limit is 530 cubes (I think) but he has a P pump and a 2.75" turbo.

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billy39

09-09-2012 14:52:53




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 Re: big cube diesels in reply to mightymolinekid, 09-09-2012 13:44:44  
thats cool. the only issue i have is it would have to be n/a or get put up in 11,000 lb class



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mm585

09-09-2012 08:47:28




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 Re: big cube diesels in reply to billy39, 09-08-2012 19:51:25  
There are many hard running gas molines around and they are the most bang for your buck,,,,But wouldent a MM diesel be fun to own??!! Go with what you want to build.dont let smack talk discourage you.



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mightymolinekid

09-09-2012 06:16:06




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 Re: big cube diesels in reply to billy39, 09-08-2012 19:51:25  
Yep there's going to be BS talk, but don't let it get you down. You will not spend twice as much for half the power of a gas engine. You will spend more for roughly the same power, though. The biggest expense over a gas is the fuel system. Expect a high performance pump and injector job for a 6 cylinder to cost around $2,500. All the other parts are the roughly the same stuff you'd buy for a gas. You will have tons of torque, and something different, which in my opinion is worth the extra trouble. One important thing to keep in mind is what classes you want to run. There are situations where a big cube gas engine is the way to go. A lot of guys absolutely can't stand MM diesels, and their reasons are somewhat justified, you just have to steer clear of them and find a MM diesel guy to talk to. I may know of a couple around....by the way...feel free to email me

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billy39

09-09-2012 07:24:15




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 Re: big cube diesels in reply to mightymolinekid, 09-09-2012 06:16:06  
i agree i like being diffrent too. just having a yellow tractor is diffrent around here to begin with. my email is open too.



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smack down

09-11-2012 16:34:01




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 Re: big cube diesels in reply to billy39, 09-09-2012 07:24:15  
i have a moline with a 855 cumings diesel engine in it should be legal since oliver bought moline and oliver,white used cummings engines and because they never put a 800hd in a 2wd moline tractor no matter what they tell you it is for sale



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mm fan

09-14-2012 05:02:08




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 Re: big cube diesels in reply to smack down, 09-11-2012 16:34:01  
Its CUMMINS not cummings. Thats a man's name your screwing up as well as a respected engine manufacturer. And there were factory 800's in some 1350's, though most were dealer installed with a full factory warranty.



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mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

09-13-2012 09:07:07




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 Re: big cube diesels in reply to smack down, 09-11-2012 16:34:01  
And you are 100% incorrect My dad put 10 of them in brand new G1000s with a full factory warranty and tw0 more in G1350 tractors. THey were dealer installed options. Not to mention the two G1350 lp std pull back tractors that ITPA bought they were red white and blue no three point or pto and they came directly from the factory with the small bell HD800 in them. Everrett bros in ohio has one and the other in is in Illinois. Try to learn a little about MMs

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smack down

09-13-2012 16:47:19




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 Re: big cube diesels in reply to mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, 09-13-2012 09:07:07  
you said it dealer installed not factory try to find a small bell 800 engine big bells are plentiful you need to do your homework



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mmmmmmmmmmmmmm

09-16-2012 07:02:58




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 Re: big cube diesels in reply to smack down, 09-13-2012 16:47:19  
You said no twd tractors were sold new with small bell 800 that is incorrect. I have had 4 of them myself and probally 50 large bell engines. Have you ever heard of the "Tractor puller special" Moline offered for sale? THey didnt get enough orders and cancelled the project. But I am sure with your "Knowledge" of MMs you will say it was never offerd.



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MM diesel

09-13-2012 10:12:27




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 Re: big cube diesels in reply to mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, 09-13-2012 09:07:07  
Any idea how many of the small bell HD 800's were produced?



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MM diesel

09-13-2012 10:16:06




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 Re: big cube diesels in reply to MM diesel, 09-13-2012 10:12:27  
Does anyone know of any FWA with the small bell 800 such as a G1000 Wheatland, Vista, or G900?



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mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

09-13-2012 15:35:43




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 Re: big cube diesels in reply to MM diesel, 09-13-2012 10:16:06  
Harold Jennings of Jennings imp in Illinois put an HD 800 small bell in a vista FWA for a customer in Nebraska that owned an lp distributorship. I saw a production listing years ago that listed How many small bells were made but cannot remember exact # but it was close to 400 units. There were also crankcases in the parts system that would not have been numberd.



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MMUBMM

09-09-2012 04:40:50




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 Re: big cube diesels in reply to billy39, 09-08-2012 19:51:25  
You will spend twice the money and get half the horsepower with a MM diesel.



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