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injector pump leak in MF275

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RonP

12-12-2007 07:49:13




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I"ve got a leak in the injector pump housing on the MF275. It leaks slowly but steadily - about one drop every 15 seconds. The leak is coming from around the shutoff valve shaft. There is some up and down play in that shaft - about the thickness of a dime. The tractor had been sitting up about 2 years before I bought it this past July, and I didn"t notice any leaks when I first got the tractor. There is a local CAV dealer who will rebuild the pump for $295 plus parts, with the average repair being around $600 total. The MF275 is a 1979, so the rings, gaskets, etc in the pump are old and the CAV dealer says a pump rebuild is the best way to prevent another problem. Now for my questions. Is there an easy (cheaper) fix? If not, how difficult is it to remove and then reinstall the pump? I talked with the local MF dealer and he said reinstalling the pump was a problem because of getting the air out of the lines and getting the timing right. I"d appreciate any good ideas on where to go from here. Thanks!

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RonP

12-23-2007 22:41:54




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 Re: fuel pump leak in MF275 - FIXED in reply to RonP, 12-12-2007 07:49:13  
Thanks to instructions and encouragement from this site (TomTex, DavidP, and others) I recently fixed the leak on my MF 275 fuel pump. Here are some thoughts/descriptions to add to what's already been posted on that procedure.
The pump was leaking at the shut-off shaft, which for this CAV pump was the front shaft. I got a rebuild kit for $17.11 from J.G. Parks diesel repair. The kit was made by Delphi and contained many more replacement parts then what I used. First, shut off the fuel supply using the valve up by the fuel tank. Be sure the fuel pump is clean so no dirt gets into it when the cover is off. There should be a metal tag attached to the side/bottom of the pump housing. I used steel wool to clean this metal tag until I could read all three sets of numbers. The number I needed to ID the pump type was the top number, the DPA number. Apparently this model of pump is fairly common, since the parts guy said he had 23 of the rebuild kits.
To take off the cover, undo the small nuts on the top of the shut-off and throttle linkages. These small nuts are on the shafts that come out of the top cover on the pump. Under each nut is a small washer. To lift off the shut-off linkage you also have to remove the mounting bracket that holds the shut-off cable in place. The shut-off linkage cable can be curved down and away from the pump and tied down, but the throttle linkage is not very flexible and harder to get out of the way (it can be pushed down next to the outside of the pump housing). Once the shut-off cable and throttle linkage are out of the way, remove the two nuts in the middle of the cover. Be sure you have a really good light source before starting to take off the cover. Gently break the cover free of the gasket and lift the cover up about 3/4 to 1 inch. There is a spring attached to a small triangular piece of metal that is in turn attached to the bottom of the throttle shaft (the shaft on the right). Note which hole the spring is attached to. My piece of metal had three holes in a row, and the spring was attached in the first hole. The other end of the spring was attached to a short pin (with a tiny spring) that went through a rounded piece of metal. This vertical piece of metal is just to the left of center, and mine had three holes in a vertical line. The pin on my 275 was through the middle hole. Note which hole the pin goes through. Now, unhook the spring at one end and take off the cover. I used a clean pair of needle nose pliers and removed the spring where it went through the pin. Once the cover is off look at the bottom of the shut-off shaft and you will see a prong that extends down about 1/4 inch. If you haven't rotated the position of the shut-off shaft while removing the cover this short prong will be toward the back of the cover. Now look in the pump and toward the back you should see the fuel shut-off mechanism. It's a flat piece of metal that extends from the back left (where the shut-off linkage shaft goes down into the pump) almost all the way to the right side of the pump. At the left end of this piece of metal (where the shut-off shaft just came from) you will see a notch facing the back of the pump. This notch has a "U" shape and is where the prong on the shut-off shaft has to fit when you put the cover back on.
Both the throttle shaft and the shut-off shaft come out through the bottom of the cover. My shut-off shaft came out easily because is was already loose and was where the pump was leaking. I had to push on the throttle shaft to get it to come out. Both shafts have two small o-rings. Once the shafts were out, I removed the old o-rings with a small screwdriver. To put on each new ring, I coated it with vaseline, pushed it onto the rectangular top of the shafts, and then used a small screwdriver to work it down over the shoulder and onto the shaft. Then by using your fingers you can push the o-ring down into the grooves on the shaft. Once the o-rings have been replaced, push and twist the two shafts back into the cover. You want the short prong on the shut-off shaft to be rotated toward the back of the cover.
Remove the old gasket from the pump housing and wipe off the metal where the new gasket will go. There were two "teeth" or projections on my gasket which fit into slots in the front and back. You'll see from the old gasket how the new one has to be placed.
To replace the cover I used a pair of needle nose pliers to fit the end of the spring through the small hole in the end of the pin. Then as you lower the cover you have to make sure the prong at the bottom of the shut-off shaft goes into the notch on the shut-off mechanism. You can just barely see where it is as the cover goes down. If the prong doesn't fit into the notch, the shut-off valve won't work. This is what happened the first time I replaced the cover. The tractor started right up (no air bleeding of the pump or lines was needed) and I thought I was done. But when I tried to used the shut-off switch nothing happened, and when I manually used a pair of pliers to turn the shut-off shaft nothing happened. So I put the tractor in high gear and popped the clutch to make it cut off. Then the next time I replaced the cover I was very careful to be sure the shut-off shaft end fit into the notch on the sliding piece of metal that causes the fuel flow to stop. Finally I just snugged the two nuts down on the cover and reattached the linkages to the two shafts. When I turned the fuel back on the tractor started fine and the pump doesn't leak.

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RonP

12-13-2007 13:58:53




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 Re: injector pump leak in MF275 in reply to RonP, 12-12-2007 07:49:13  
Thanks to TomTex, DavidP, Archie KY, Bob, and SK Super 90 for the tips and especially the encouragement. I cleaned off the injector housing today, used steel wool to get the ID plate clean, and there were the three numbers you said I would find. Called the CAV repair shop, gave them the numbers and the guy said he had a repair kit (o-rings, gasket, etc) for that pump. Also, he told me he would go over some ideas on how to do the job. So, I think I'm ready to jump in. Thanks a lot guys!

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TomTex

12-12-2007 21:24:38




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 Re: injector pump leak in MF275 in reply to RonP, 12-12-2007 07:49:13  
Is your pump a CAV? If it is a CAV, I have been there done that. The CAV is prone to leaking around the throttle shaft and the cut-off shaft. First you will need to get 2 or 3 cans of engine cleaner. Clean, clean, and clean again the whole area. After each spraying, hose off, let dry and do it again. Cleaner the better, if you drop a ball of grease/dirt into the top while the cover is off - big trouble, one piece of crud dropped into the bottom of the pump will cost you about $600-700. Now using a paper towel, start looking for your leak; it will show up real easy on the dry, clean paper towel. 1. MOST important thing is to have some paper and pencil BEFORE you take off the cover.
2. Remove shut-off linkage and throttle linkage. 3. Remove screws or nuts holding lid on. 4. DO NOT just lift up the top. Lift it just a little, very carefully so you can peek under it. A spring is attached from the lid to the bottom part of the pump. One end of spring is hooked on a wide post looking like a tombstone. The tombstone has several holes in it. Write down which hole the spring is hooked in before you remove it. The other end is through one of the holes in the flattened end of the control rod. Again write down the hole it is in before you remove it. This step is VERY IMPORTANT. If the spring is not reassembled to EXACTLY the same holes on both ends, the tractor will never run right again. The same pump can be used on different model tractors with the only difference being how the spring is hooked. My MF dealer mechanic can tell the proper holes by using the 3 numbers on the CAV. Now remove the spring, and lift off the lid. 5. Write down the model/year of tractor, and the model of the CAV pump and serial number. There are 3 different numbers on my CAV pump.
6. Take the cover with you and head to MF dealer and purchase a new gasket and four (4) tiny o-rings that fit around the throttle shaft and the shut-off shaft. Each shaft has 2 o-rings. If the o-rings are not leaking now, they soon will so replace all of them. Total cost of gasket and 4 o-rings is about $5 or $6. 7. You will need a little patience and two extra hands to get the spring attached on both ends and the new gasket fitted. I did this complete procedure on my MF 690 and now it has NO LEAKS.
Tom

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Archie KY

12-12-2007 15:50:08




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 Re: injector pump leak in MF275 in reply to RonP, 12-12-2007 07:49:13  
I did my o rings on a 135. Easy job .Got the O rings for 14.00 frpm a Pump rebuilt shop.



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DavidP, South Wales

12-12-2007 10:07:24




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 Re: injector pump leak in MF275 in reply to RonP, 12-12-2007 07:49:13  
Hi Ron,
As everyone says it is a fairly simple job to do it yourself given some precautions.
Cleanliness first. Remove the cover nuts and lift the cover VERY carefully (just like you were dismantling a bomb!!) Inside you will see a spring and the plates that it is attached to. This adjustment is very important. Draw a clear sketch of what you see and the positions so that there can be no error in refitting it. Unhook the spring and remove the cap. You may be lucky with the gasket. Making one from suitable gasket paper is not difficult. You won't get O rings from your MF dealer but you should be able to get them from a local hydraulic or bearing supplier. Lubricate the O rings with vaseline or similar and reassemble.
Removing and reinstalling the pump is not a problem. The pump normally has a peg which locates in the sprocket so this cannot be put back wrong. As extra piece of mind remove the front cover from the pump sprocket and clean the point where the gears mesh. Apply a thin line of paint across the two. The gear will not drop but it is an extra check on reassembly. As to the timing, replacing the pump in the original position in the slots should be good enough. Big Dean's site will have exact instructions. If you want to try adjustment look at the oval plate at the end of the pump. This will show you the direction. Turning the pump in this direction will retard it and against will advance it. Slacken the injector pipes and turn the pump a little at a time. You need to reach the best point between, knock, black smoke and good starting.
I think that your dealer was trying to frighten you about the timing and air in the lines. Operate the lift pump, that will prime the filter, open the two 5/16 screws on the side of the pump and pump until you get a good even flow of fuel from both. Open any two pipes at the injectors and turn the engine over until you have fuel coming through. In all probability the engine will try to start. Tighten up and you should be away. Job done!
DavidP, South Wales

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Bob

12-12-2007 08:42:26




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 Re: injector pump leak in MF275 in reply to RonP, 12-12-2007 07:49:13  
Depending upon your mechanical repair "comfort level", you can repair it yourself.

A search of the archives will turn up LOTS of posts from folks who have replaced the "O" ring themselves. At least ONE has photos.

Here's a link to ONE post, about a SIMILAR pump...



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SK Super 90

12-12-2007 08:41:07




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 Re: injector pump leak in MF275 in reply to RonP, 12-12-2007 07:49:13  
Hi Ron,

That's a pretty common problem with the CAV injector pumps. Just do a search of the archives for "CAV and leak" and you'll find some fabulous step-by-step info about how to go about the repair.
Parts needed are four o-rings and a pump housing gasket - about $10 total.
I'm not particularly mechanically-inclined, but I was able to repair mine a few months ago using the info found in these fine forums.
Big Dean also has a graphic on his website that details this very fix. TomTX has a written description of the repair posted several times throughout this forum - at least once for my benefit.
Good luck!

Cheers,
Paul

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