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Pulling a V-8 massey

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wannabe 1155 puller

03-26-2002 20:02:39
64.33.171.19



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I am looking into building a 1155 massey to run a hot farm/superfarm class. Anyone have any info they are willing to share with me? Are the block much different between the 540 and 640? Would I be better off in finding a 2805 to start with? How light can get one? Any info about this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.




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m kuhns

03-27-2002 21:33:08
204.251.89.237



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 Re: Pulling a V-8 massey in reply to wannabe 1155 puller, 03-26-2002 20:02:39  
Hre is goes! In our area we have two 2805 's and one 1155 pulling. We pull one of the 2805's. A 2805 you can get down to 9500 fairly easily by taking off the rockshaft, steel rims, and a lighter front end. There are major differences between the 540 and 640 blocks and heads. The cranks are the same strokes and can be interchanged between the two by grinding out the thrust bearing journal width by (I think) .070. on the 540 crank. Whatever crank you use, you have to use the same rods with the crank because of different widths of about .010 An 1155 you should be able to get down to 8,500 using steel rims and hubs and getting rid of the rockshaft also. A stock 640 perkins produces most of its power and torque around 2200 Rpms. If you want to run around 3,000Rpms you will have to advance the cam to get your power curve up higher. Our 2805 we ran for awhile but are in the process of redoing it completely. We used to be able to pull high gear, but it would just lug at 2200rpms, and still be able to spin out. We had about 35psi of boost and 350cc's of fuel. We are now hoping to run around 5,000Rpms running high gear with around 80psi of boost to get around 1200 hp. I you are going to run over 3000Rpm get rid of the dry sleeves or they will cost you a lot of cash in either engine. They will crack off at the top and come down into the oil pan ruining you crank at bare minimum. If rules permit, you can bore a 640 out to around 800cubic inches I was told. A 540 you can get 605 cubes out of by removing the sleeves and going to a 4.5 bore and using I.H. pistons. Another thing to consider like always is the money end. The 640's are extremely expensive to work on with stock parts. An overhaul kit is around $7000, a 540 is around $2200. A crank for a 640 is $2000 and one for a 540 is $500 but can be interchanged between the two blocks by grinding the thrust bearing width wider for the 640. If you want to know anything else post again or Email me at rnlklingler@evenlink.net or kuhnmar@msn.com

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Bob

03-28-2002 13:37:47
216.28.91.173



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 Re: Re: Pulling a V-8 massey in reply to m kuhns, 03-27-2002 21:33:08  
How much HP will a stock 2805 put out when turned up with an inline pump. Also I was told that a 640 engine can be put in a 1150 or 1155. Is this true? If so how hard is it to interchange the engines.



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m kuhns

03-28-2002 15:00:55
204.251.88.163



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 Re: Re: Re: Pulling a V-8 massey in reply to Bob, 03-28-2002 13:37:47  
A 640 should bolt right into an 1150 or 1155. The bell housings will interchange between the 540 and 640. You should be able to use the oil pan off of the 540 on the 640 but I'm not sure about this. The oil pan is part of the frame. The bolt patterns are not a concern from the pan to the block ;should be the same for both engines. The engine will bolt up but I'm not sure what oil pan you would have to use. The front axle housing that bolts onto the sides of the block are a slightly different pattern on the 640. I think the bottom rear bolt hole is offset differently. This won't be a concern because you should be able to ream ou to make it fit or make your own front end. A 640 should produce around 300+ hp with the pump turned up and enough boost, but all of your power will be around 2200Rpms. You will probably have to advance the cam to get your power curve up higher.

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joe

03-30-2002 19:57:13
64.12.106.43



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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Pulling a V-8 massey in reply to m kuhns, 03-28-2002 15:00:55  
Don't waste your money on this perkins JUNK! Every one knows the only good diesel engine is an in-line six.



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MIKE

06-08-2003 04:47:50
202.239.140.111



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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Pulling a V-8 massey in reply to joe, 03-30-2002 19:57:13  
WHAT JOE DON'T KNOW WILL KILL HIM ON THE TRACK. PERKINS ROCK THEY JUST DON'T HAVE THE ABUNDANCE OF AFTERMARKET STUFF TO BOLT ON. IF YOU TAKE YOUR TIME AND TUNE IT RIGHT YOUR TRACTOR WILL SCREAM.



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Bob

03-27-2002 12:43:17
216.28.80.82



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 Re: Pulling a V-8 massey in reply to wannabe 1155 puller, 03-26-2002 20:02:39  
Ask on the Tractor Pulling Discussion Board, I have seen some guys that pull Massey's on there. Schmidt Machine Co. in Upper Sandusky OH Might help. Here is their no.(800)589-3814. I think the Perkins V8 are very under rated. As the old saying goes "There's no replacement for displacement" 540 or 640 is a lot of cubes to work with.



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mike

03-31-2002 11:39:42
207.238.246.66



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 Re: Re: Pulling a V-8 massey in reply to Bob, 03-27-2002 12:43:17  
I have a boat load , small boat that is of 8cylinder inj pumps that I got at a sale if any body needs one or more I'll sell them cheap, only have one inline the rest is rotary.



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