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mf180 clutch/trans problem

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gene rugh

07-07-2018 12:22:06




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I have a mf180, I put a new clutch, brakes and axle seals in it for a customer two months ago, It has the perkins diesel. Now its back at my shop. It starts as long as you have the clutch depressed, if you try to start it with it just sitting in neutral, the starter acts like the engine is locked up. So the clutch is disengaging, does it sounds like something in trans is locking up? Has anybody heard of this happening or any ideas?

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gene rugh

07-10-2018 16:02:07




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 Re: mf180 clutch/trans problem in reply to gene rugh, 07-07-2018 12:22:06  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to seeIll take a look thanks



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rkelman

07-09-2018 17:21:38




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 Re: mf180 clutch/trans problem in reply to gene rugh, 07-07-2018 12:22:06  
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From my experience yes. I'm no expert but i dont see how anything with a clutch could cause a engine not to turn over. I would open the filler hole and look forward. You should be able to see the multipower clutch if its a similar setup to my 135. Mine had stress cracks in it and fell apart inside the trans.



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rkelman

07-08-2018 12:39:30




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 Re: mf180 clutch/trans problem in reply to gene rugh, 07-07-2018 12:22:06  
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Oh I guess i was "lucky" I at least could get the 1st stage to engage so i had hydraulics. Unfortunately i wasn't smart enough to try to start it with the clutch in so i could rule out the engine before i tore it all apart. But hey i have a shiny new head gasket now....



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gene rugh

07-08-2018 14:11:16




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 Re: mf180 clutch/trans problem in reply to rkelman, 07-08-2018 12:39:30  
so would you say the clutch is working and the problem in in the multi power or trans then?



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rkelman

07-08-2018 03:11:58




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 Re: mf180 clutch/trans problem in reply to gene rugh, 07-07-2018 12:22:06  
Oops bad link sorry.

http://forums.yesterdaystractors.com/viewtopic.php?t=1354050&highlight=



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gene rugh

07-08-2018 07:02:22




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 Re: mf180 clutch/trans problem in reply to rkelman, 07-08-2018 03:11:58  
thank you, looks like this is going to be fun!!!!!



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rkelman

07-08-2018 03:10:51




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 Re: mf180 clutch/trans problem in reply to gene rugh, 07-07-2018 12:22:06  
That exact scenario happened to me this spring. It was due to the multipower clutch coming apart in the gearbox. If its the same thing its a double split job. Now I did not have to take off the lift cover but i'm glad i did because the multipower filter screen was pretty dirty. See my thread.
http://forums.yesterdaystractors.com/viewtopic.php?t=1354050&highlight=



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504

07-07-2018 21:16:03




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 Re: mf180 clutch/trans problem in reply to gene rugh, 07-07-2018 12:22:06  
The reason you can tow it, is the Multi Power is slipping,the transmission is stuck in two gears. Do not tow it far, the MP clutch will not be happy.



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gene rugh

07-08-2018 06:48:24




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 Re: mf180 clutch/trans problem in reply to 504, 07-07-2018 21:16:03  
yes it pulls down and will die when letting clutch out, will not let me release clutch far enough to raise loader off ground



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mite-help

07-07-2018 16:50:55




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 Re: mf180 clutch/trans problem in reply to gene rugh, 07-07-2018 12:22:06  
ok--so it starts/runs with clutch depressed, what does it do if you release clutch when running, pull down & die? maybe something in pto side of dual clutch)??



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gene rugh

07-07-2018 13:26:11




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 Re: mf180 clutch/trans problem in reply to gene rugh, 07-07-2018 12:22:06  
yes it rolls easy, pulled it around with my 65 massey



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gene rugh

07-07-2018 13:19:52




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 Re: mf180 clutch/trans problem in reply to gene rugh, 07-07-2018 12:22:06  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Yes the shifters are on the dash, it is multipower also, did not disturb the linkage when doing the clutch, my customer said he stop the tractor in the field to do some thing and it would not move when he got back on it. I have pulled it around with my mf 65 and it rolled freely and the engine is not turning when its being towed



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old

07-07-2018 12:58:06




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 Re: mf180 clutch/trans problem in reply to gene rugh, 07-07-2018 12:22:06  
Does it roll easy with out the engine running and out of gear?? If it does that rules out being stuck in 2 gears. If stuck in 2 gears it would do as you saying it is doing. If it was winter I would also think maybe water in the transmission and it is frozen but summer rules that out. If it rolls easy out of gear and not running it could have a bad input shaft bearing that has locked up and that would also cause that type of problem

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DavidP, South Wales

07-07-2018 12:52:47




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 Re: mf180 clutch/trans problem in reply to gene rugh, 07-07-2018 12:22:06  
Hi Gene, not familiar withe the 180 as we do not have them in the UK. Thinking sideways here; I believe the 180 has a gear change mounted on the instrument panel or at least different to the more common two levers on the top of the casing. Did you have to disturb the gear linkage to do the clutch? Wondering if something has happened to allow two gears to be engaged at once or possibly linkage adjustment is out. Does the gear lever show neutral whilst it is still in gear? If you turn the engine by hand as if you were going to start it with the brakes 'off' does it try to turn the wheels?
DavidP, South Wales.

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