MF202 power steering column seal...final chapter

Caryc

Well-known Member
Sleeve prior to being pressed on
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Next shot shows the sleeve with the three inch aluminum sleeve they give you to press it on with. That’s ok on a short shaft but not on a long shaft like that steering column. I found a washer the just fit over the steering shaft and it sat on top of the supplied aluminum sleeve as you see in the picture. Then I used a piece of schedule forty plastic pipe to go on top of that washer. This let me use a plastic mallet to tap the speedy sleeve in place above the steering column. You can see it’s length in the next picture.
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Next pic shows the sleeve installed.
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This pic shows the old seal after tearing it out. This thing was an absolute #$%^& to get out.
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Next two pics show the dash moved just enough so I could get it off the steering shaft. That was no picnic either.
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This last picture shows the hole in the back of the dash. Some previous owner used a cut off wheel and cut five or six slots where that hole is. I guess he then bent the tabs out to get access to the hole. I just took a pair of channel locks and grabbed each of those tabs and worked it back and forth until it broke off. This left me with that hole. Without that hole I don’t think I would have been able to get that dash off. It let me look in there and see what needed to be done to get the dash loose. You see the two vertical screws and the two horizontal screws on the back of the dash. These hold the linkage in place. I had to remove all of them. They hold the brackets that hold the linkage in place. Getting them back in place was no picnic either. On the two horizontal ones, the plate that has a spring between it and the dash. So getting a screw started was impossible. What I did was get a longer same size screw and stick it in the hole and get it started in the plate. Then I screwed it in until it brought the plate up against the back of the dash. Then I put the correct screw in the other hole and removed the longer screw and put the correct screw in that hole. The vertical screws were pretty hard to get in also but I managed to do it.

I didn’t remove any of the gauges except the tractometer. That was easy to get out since you don’t have to get inside the dash. I removed the temperature gauge sensor unit from the block to give me some slack there. I also removed the oil pressure line from the block to get some slack. I just slipped the dash off to the side carefully and hoped that I would not kink that oil gauge line. Evidently I didn’t since the oil pressure gauge works again. All in all, I probably put in about ten hours time on the job. Oh, by the way, the speedy sleeve and the new seal stopped the oil leak from the steering shaft. I wouldn’t want to have to do that job again.

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Nice work. The speedi-sleeve you have fitted will serve you well. These sleeves usually wear well in slower speed applications like a steering worm shaft.
In higher speed applications, a smear of 2 pac liquid metal inside the sleeve and on the affected pitted surface before fitting, will prolong the life of the sleeve.
 
Those dashes are fun to work with, having the throttle lever going through it just adds to the fun (its a real pain). Hopefully that seal won't give you any problems for a very long time.
 
Looks good!! I now have something to look forward to with the 204 forklift. Thanks for the update and pictures.
 

One more thing I did while the dash was off. I put in a new push button switch. The old one was one of those "sometimes" switches. Four or Five presses to hit the right spot.

Those Phillips head screws were rusted so tight that there was no way I could get them out so I just had to cut the wires right at the switch. After doing that, I put on about 7 inches of extension wire so that if I ever have to replace that switch again, I'll just remove the front collar and the switch will drop down below the dash for easy access.
 
(quoted from post at 09:19:53 04/27/18) Looks good!! I now have something to look forward to with the 204 forklift. Thanks for the update and pictures.

Almost forgot. The one other thing I had to disconnect was the throttle that runs down to the foot pedal. That was pretty simple. It's the small nut in the picture. I had a set of midget wrenches that worked well for that. Those sleeves that go over the ball aren't spring loaded where you can just push forward on the sleeve and slide it off the ball like the linkage on my 8N.

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Hey Cary, how is it holding up? I am working on my 204 Forklift now and ready to order the kit. Just wondering if it is still leak free for you.
 
(quoted from post at 09:15:44 06/25/18) Hey Cary, how is it holding up? I am working on my 204 Forklift now and ready to order the kit. Just wondering if it is still leak free for you.

Yes, still leak free. That piece of plastic pipe I used to tap the sleeve in place was 1" I.D. X 1 5/16" O.D. X 12" long.

I hope you have better luck than me getting that old seal out. It was really a bear. Maybe you'll think of a better way to do it than me. Please let me know if you do. Good Luck.
 
Well hopefully you'll never have to do it again, but if I figure something out I will definitely let you know. Thanks, parts are ordered!
 
(quoted from post at 09:30:01 06/25/18) Well hopefully you'll never have to do it again, but if I figure something out I will definitely let you know. Thanks, parts are ordered!

At least you’ll have one advantage that I didn’t have. You now know that it can be done without dismantling the tractor from the front wheels to the seat. And I’m no mechanical genius so if I can do it, you can.

Prior to starting the job, I had removed the PS pump and took the drive gear off of it so the pump wouldn’t run dry with no fluid in it. I was just going to use the tractor with “hand power” steering. After starting the seal job, I was ready to give up a couple times but luckily persevered through it. :mrgreen:
 

Thought I should come back and add this. I'm 72 years old so the facts of climbing up and down on that tractor and hunching over that steering column and my hands starting to cramp up from trying to get into places made for monkey paws made it a hard job for me.

If you're a younger guy it might not be such a PIA job for you. :wink:
 
I've been in the dash of my 202 and ended up replacing the original power steering with something much more modern. I agree, it's no picnic. I'm in my mid 40s and already feeling aches in my hands that I didn't seem to have 10 years ago...........
Now on my forklift it's a bit more interesting because it was converted so that you face backwards when driving. The steering wheel connects to the shaft with a chain and sprockets. I will have to take some pictures. In some ways it might be easier and in others maybe harder. We'll see.
 
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Thought I should come back and add this. I'm 72 years old so the facts of climbing up and down on that tractor and hunching over that steering column and my hands starting to cramp up from trying to get into places made for monkey paws made it a hard job for me.

If you're a younger guy it might not be such a PIA job for you. :wink:

This was exactly what I need to see. I have the same problem. Rebuilt the steering box last winter and replaced seals , but started leaking this week. So speedi sleeve is ordered and new seal as well, hopefully this weekend it will go back together
 
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(quoted from post at 16:06:52 06/25/18)
Thought I should come back and add this. I'm 72 years old so the facts of climbing up and down on that tractor and hunching over that steering column and my hands starting to cramp up from trying to get into places made for monkey paws made it a hard job for me.

If you're a younger guy it might not be such a PIA job for you. :wink:

This was exactly what I need to see. I have the same problem. Rebuilt the steering box last winter and replaced seals , but started leaking this week. So speedi sleeve is ordered and new seal as well, hopefully this weekend it will go back together

Actually, that was back in June of 2018. I think it was a couple months after that and it started leaking again. I put a new speedy sleeve in and a new seal in the column. When I got it back together, I took it for a test run and three minutes into it the thing started gushing out of the top of the column again.

I was officially through with that power steering system then and there. I just pulled the PS pump and removed the drive gear and put the pump back in. I have since been accumulating all new parts like a new spool valve and steering column. I'm in the process of converting it to a different power steering system.
 
(quoted from post at 19:17:14 08/05/19)
(quoted from post at 18:40:58 08/05/19)
(quoted from post at 16:06:52 06/25/18)
Thought I should come back and add this. I'm 72 years old so the facts of climbing up and down on that tractor and hunching over that steering column and my hands starting to cramp up from trying to get into places made for monkey paws made it a hard job for me.

If you're a younger guy it might not be such a PIA job for you. :wink:

This was exactly what I need to see. I have the same problem. Rebuilt the steering box last winter and replaced seals , but started leaking this week. So speedi sleeve is ordered and new seal as well, hopefully this weekend it will go back together

Actually, that was back in June of 2018. I think it was a couple months after that and it started leaking again. I put a new speedy sleeve in and a new seal in the column. When I got it back together, I took it for a test run and three minutes into it the thing started gushing out of the top of the column again.

I was officially through with that power steering system then and there. I just pulled the PS pump and removed the drive gear and put the pump back in. I have since been accumulating all new parts like a new spool valve and steering column. I'm in the process of converting it to a different power steering system.

I found this option on another forum so I tried it today won t have it finished until next week. But it allows the excess fluid to get back to the return line. Thought it was worth a shot
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I found two others who had had success with this fix. It prevents fluid build up and relieves the pressure of the excess fluid before it can push up through the seal. I will update after it's done and used for a bit.
 
(quoted from post at 18:29:51 08/07/19) And another
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It seems to me that if the spool valve was leaking that bad so you had to reroute it back to the pump, it would affect how your power steering worked.
 

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