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Massey Ferguson 202 Ind. loader ID

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Rocky Field Farmer

03-14-2018 11:08:19




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I have a MF 202 Industrial with loader. I have checked the serial number of the engine and it was manufactured in 1965 so I probably have a 1965 or 1966 tractor. The loader tag is in poor condition and I can't make out what model it is. What identifiers are there. I believe it is probably a 101 or 102. It has two dump cylinders and Cessna lift cylinders. Also the oil filter is on the right side under the loader controls. I was checking the oil in the loader, after cleaning the dip stick off started to put in back in and it fell into the reservoir! oops! Tried a magnet to fish it out with no luck. Looks like I will probably need to pull the filter and mount off to get to it. How much trouble would that be? Thanks for any help.

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Rocky Field Farmer

03-25-2018 06:15:26




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 Re: Massey Ferguson 202 Ind. loader ID in reply to Rocky Field Farmer, 03-14-2018 11:08:19  
Behind the air intake boot hole is where my oil gauge is located. I got to mess with it for a few minutes before the snow, sleet and rain came in. One of the nuts came off easy but the other is being stubborn. The engine heat gauge is going to be a real problem and will need to replace it when I get the oil pressure gauge out of the way. At times you can use a flexible extension if you have one.

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shaeff

03-23-2018 09:00:28




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 Re: Massey Ferguson 202 Ind. loader ID in reply to Rocky Field Farmer, 03-14-2018 11:08:19  
I'll take a look where my oil pressure sensor is today when i get home.



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Rocky Field Farmer

03-23-2018 09:56:45




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 Re: Massey Ferguson 202 Ind. loader ID in reply to shaeff, 03-23-2018 09:00:28  
I am pretty sure that is it. The L fitting has a plug screwed into the end of it. I need a fitting for the gauge end, I had one for the L fitting going into the back of the engine block. I may pull the coil wire and turn the engine a little and make sure that way also make sure the fitting is not clogged. Heading out shopping for fittings in a few minutes. All the parts stores had assortments now they don't. A couple of the older parts stores usually have a few on hand.

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fosterdave37

03-23-2018 06:23:43




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 Re: Massey Ferguson 202 Ind. loader ID in reply to Rocky Field Farmer, 03-14-2018 11:08:19  
Is that ROP factory? I have a MF 20 want to add some ROP would like to see some pictures of yours too see how its attached etc. if you have time Thanks



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Rocky Field Farmer

03-23-2018 06:37:34




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 Re: Massey Ferguson 202 Ind. loader ID in reply to fosterdave37, 03-23-2018 06:23:43  
I really don't know if it is factory or not. I am looking for fenders and it has what I believe to be extra holes in the ROP mounting plate to accommodate a set. I will get pic's asap. Thanks



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Rocky Field Farmer

03-23-2018 07:38:18




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 Re: Massey Ferguson 202 Ind. loader ID in reply to Rocky Field Farmer, 03-23-2018 06:37:34  
Here you go! ROP mount plate pic's.



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shaeff

03-23-2018 05:12:22




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 Re: Massey Ferguson 202 Ind. loader ID in reply to Rocky Field Farmer, 03-14-2018 11:08:19  
Forgot to get back to you about the dipstick chain. Just one link on mine, same as what's shown in my manual:



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Rocky Field Farmer

03-23-2018 05:49:38




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 Re: Massey Ferguson 202 Ind. loader ID in reply to shaeff, 03-23-2018 05:12:22  
Thanks, that is what mine had. It got loose and came off when I started to put it back in. That was one of those moments! Tightened the catch then reinstalled after recovery. The only thing that I am not 100% sure on is the location of the oil pressure line from the engine. I may take what I think is the fitting out today. If I am sure it is the correct one see what I can find for fittings. I have some small copper tubing out of a kit from another project but may need to buy anther kit to get what I want. There is only one place that would probably have what I need but its is about 35 miles one way.

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ptfarmer

03-21-2018 23:01:59




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 Re: Massey Ferguson 202 Ind. loader ID in reply to Rocky Field Farmer, 03-14-2018 11:08:19  
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So very true, the engineers, and others who design tractors (or anything else) should be required to do repairs on what they "work" on.



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Rocky Field Farmer

03-22-2018 05:17:46




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 Re: Massey Ferguson 202 Ind. loader ID in reply to ptfarmer, 03-21-2018 23:01:59  
I have worked on vehicles for many years and have had to do a lot of contortions that would make a contortionist cry to repair a lot of them. Could you tell me if the oil line from the oil gauge to the engine is located on the engine. I think it is just behind the carb and exhaust near the rear of the engine. The line is missing be there is a fitting or plug at that location. If you need a picture let me know and I will be glad to try and get one. Thanks for your and everyone's help.

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Caryc

03-21-2018 09:23:58




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 Re: Massey Ferguson 202 Ind. loader ID in reply to Rocky Field Farmer, 03-14-2018 11:08:19  
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Too bad the designers didn't think of that. A hinged door would have been even nicer.



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Rocky Field Farmer

03-21-2018 09:48:56




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 Re: Massey Ferguson 202 Ind. loader ID in reply to Caryc, 03-21-2018 09:23:58  
The people that design have never had to repair a lot of equipment and don't have a clue on what happens next in a lot of instances.



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ptfarmer

03-21-2018 09:17:43




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 Re: Massey Ferguson 202 Ind. loader ID in reply to Rocky Field Farmer, 03-14-2018 11:08:19  
I've seen a few with the lower portion of the dash cut out just for that reason.



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Caryc

03-20-2018 19:28:51




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 Re: Massey Ferguson 202 Ind. loader ID in reply to Rocky Field Farmer, 03-14-2018 11:08:19  
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If one does remove the steering wheel and the dash bolts, how much can you lift that dash with all the gauges still connected?
Can you lift it enough to make it relatively easy to disconnect all the gauges?



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ptfarmer

03-20-2018 18:13:24




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 Re: Massey Ferguson 202 Ind. loader ID in reply to Rocky Field Farmer, 03-14-2018 11:08:19  
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Small hands, and ability to be able to feel what you are doing, and you will also probably invent some new words that you don't want kids to hear. Or you could remove the steering wheel the take out all the bolts that hold the dash in so you can lift it up to get to the back side of it (they didn't make the back of the dash with easy access in mind).

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Caryc

03-20-2018 17:39:33




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Have you figured out yet how you are going to get at the oil gauge to replace it?. I have a MF202 also and it looks like you have to do a lot of dismantling just to get to the back of the instrument panel.



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Rocky Field Farmer

03-27-2018 06:54:46




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 Re: Massey Ferguson 202 Ind. loader ID in reply to Caryc, 03-20-2018 17:39:33  
I finally got to work on my oil gauge project. I didn't have a lot of problems getting it out but am having to replumb without going 70 to 80 mile round trip to dealer for correct fittings. Mine was on the right side under the fuel feed. Went through the hole for the cleaner rubber boot. The bugger is going to be the heat gauge for me, nearer to the steering shaft. Someone replaced it and used tape to make it tight in the hole with no bracket or nuts on the back to secure it.

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Rocky Field Farmer

03-21-2018 04:09:18




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 Re: Massey Ferguson 202 Ind. loader ID in reply to Caryc, 03-20-2018 17:39:33  
I haven't started removing it yet, waiting now for the weather to improve. The new amp gauge would have been a bugger if someone hadn't taken a cutting torch and opened up a big hole.



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ptfarmer

03-19-2018 12:21:33




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 Re: Massey Ferguson 202 Ind. loader ID in reply to Rocky Field Farmer, 03-14-2018 11:08:19  
Do you have the side mounted filter. WIX filter number 51567



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Rocky Field Farmer

03-20-2018 17:07:53




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 Re: Massey Ferguson 202 Ind. loader ID in reply to ptfarmer, 03-19-2018 12:21:33  
Thanks ptfarmer I purchased 2 five gallon buckets of premium hydraulic oil from TSC and found the filter at Carquest using the information you sent. Got it changed today before the rain came in. My next project on the MF is putting a new oil pressure gauge and line on it. The old gauge is still on it but is trashed and the line is missing. It looks like the line goes just behind the carb near the back of the engine. I checked the agco parts book and it shows fittings but not exactly where they fit. Hopefully this will be the last project on this tractor for a while other than change the engine oil. Again thanks for all the help.

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Rocky Field Farmer

03-19-2018 13:29:55




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 Re: Massey Ferguson 202 Ind. loader ID in reply to ptfarmer, 03-19-2018 12:21:33  

I haven't pulled the filter out yet. This looks like the housing that I have on the side of the loader. I saved a copy of the picture you added. I am leaving in a few minutes for TSC to get hydraulic oil and engine oil. A 5 to 9 sale going on this evening. Added a couple of pictures.

Thanks for the information.

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dexterfarm

03-19-2018 09:25:08




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 Re: Massey Ferguson 202 Ind. loader ID in reply to Rocky Field Farmer, 03-14-2018 11:08:19  
I was wrong kind of. there are 2 small holes in the rod that the filter would slide over. at the base there are multiple very large holes. most of the oil would bypass the filter. All of the oil would go through the strainer. That still leaves me with the problem that my strainer is in bad shape and has a couple of holes in it. The strainer is no longer available. I cant imagine much of any oil would pass through the filter and those 2 small holes when it has all of those large holes that are closer to the suction with no resistance at all.

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Caryc

03-19-2018 08:10:08




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Join the club. I also have a MF202 with those same 4 holes staring me in the face. I also have to go by the engine number. My engine was made in 1958.



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shaeff

03-19-2018 05:15:36




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What is the serial number on the tag below the steering wheel?



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Rocky Field Farmer

03-19-2018 06:56:54




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 Re: Massey Ferguson 202 Ind. loader ID in reply to shaeff, 03-19-2018 05:15:36  
The tag is missing only 4 holes where it was. I called Monte's Equipment and they told me the year of manufacture for the engine was in 1965 so was probably installed either late 65 or early 66 by that number. Thanks



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dexterfarm

03-18-2018 17:41:25




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 Re: Massey Ferguson 202 Ind. loader ID in reply to Rocky Field Farmer, 03-14-2018 11:08:19  
I have a 102 loader. There is no filter available for mine. the 1010 filter would probably fit in my canister but would not filter any oil. mine would need to have one large end and one small end. the shaft in mine is not hollow the back end of the canister has a large round piece tht sticks out where the holes for the oil flow are the filter would need to go over those holes. I am going to take off the canister and put a spin on filter assembly on. Your canister could be different then mine.

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Rocky Field Farmer

03-19-2018 04:38:30




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 Re: Massey Ferguson 202 Ind. loader ID in reply to dexterfarm, 03-18-2018 17:41:25  
Thanks for the info. I will check mine out and maybe get a picture. It sticks out on the side of the right stanchion, not really a good location. TSC has a 15% discount on any purchase from 5 till 9 PM today and I am going down to stock up on hydraulic and engine oil. I have five tractors and want to do maintenance on all by warm weather. This Massey is my newest tractor in my fleet, 65 or 66 by the engine serial number.

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shaeff

03-18-2018 15:05:38




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 Re: Massey Ferguson 202 Ind. loader ID in reply to Rocky Field Farmer, 03-14-2018 11:08:19  
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Good news!
If I recall correctly it's just one link. I'll doublecheck for ya tomorrow after I get home from work. Better safe than sorry.

I use Traveller's brand Premium trans/hydraulic fluid in the loader, transmission, and the power steering. I don't like having to stock an arsenal of fluids and it works just fine for all of them.

Pretty sure they used to call for type A transmission fluid in the loaders. I never bothered to look, the trans/hydraulic oil works great and is inexpensive in a 5gal bucket.

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Rocky Field Farmer

03-18-2018 17:07:01




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 Re: Massey Ferguson 202 Ind. loader ID in reply to shaeff, 03-18-2018 15:05:38  
I will be going to Tractor Supply in the next couple of days and get the Traveller Premium hydraulic oil. I believe it takes 6 gallons with a filter change? I have been looking around the net for the correct filter. On one thread it said to use a NAPA 1010 filter. That is the same type of filter that I use for my 2N Ford engine. Some where asking if you should or could use the screen with this filter

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shaeff

03-14-2018 11:55:24




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The 101 only has one dump cylinder, center mounted. The 102 has two dump cylinders in line with the loader arms.

You can probably get the dipstick out fairly easily, a magnet on a stick should work if you can find it in there. Worst case scenario, you just have to guess the fluid level.

It'll be a good time to change out all the hydraulic fluid for the loader.

You can find all the information you want on them if you type this into Google search bar:

Davis Loader 99-101-102 - Owner's Manual - N Tractor Club

It should be the first link that pops up. I would just give you the link, but the forum sensors it.

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Rocky Field Farmer

03-14-2018 12:35:55




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 Re: Massey Ferguson 202 Ind. loader ID in reply to shaeff, 03-14-2018 11:55:24  
My telescoping magnet has a pretty big head. I am going to ask the neighbor about using his if it will fit. After closer inspection the chain link broke from wear. Got the Owners Manual! I have the engine running really good and the generator repaired with a new regulator. The old tractor is coming along. Thanks for all the good information.



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Rocky Field Farmer

03-18-2018 10:37:54




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 Re: Massey Ferguson 202 Ind. loader ID in reply to Rocky Field Farmer, 03-14-2018 12:35:55  
Well I ordered a magnet that worked. I fished out the dip stick. Now I am wondering how many links the chain has that holds the dip stick and if one or more may have come loose and cause a problem later? Maybe if a link dropped into the bottom it may come out when I drain the hydraulic oil. While on the subject of oil changing what would be a good hydraulic oil to use in the Davis loader? Thanks

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