Massey 35 rebuild help

Hugel · Jan 21, 2018

New pistons, rings, and an new cylinder head (old one was cracked). Put all together and it started up fine. Lots of oil pressure. I ran it for 10 minutes and shut it off. Next day started up ran for 35 minutes and it started to make enough crank case pressure to blow oil out of the dip stick. Today I can’t get it to run at all? Any ideas? Blow ahead gasket maybe? Any help would be appreciated

John Deere D · Jan 21, 2018

Make & Model of Engine?

Diesel / Gasoline...?

Bob...Owner MF FE 35 X Diesel

Hugel · Jan 22, 2018

(quoted from post at 22:54:48 01/21/18) Make & Model of Engine?

Diesel / Gasoline...?

Bob...Owner MF FE 35 X Diesel

Sorry, 1961 massey35 Perkins diesel

I’m just not sure why it’s blowing by so badly. Oil level is still good, it’s holding water fine. Before I put new pistons in I checked the cylinders for round and taper and all three were within .002” from zero. I honed the cylinders and cleaned them well before the pistons went in.

Phil Tibbetts · Jan 22, 2018

Did you replace the sleeves? Is the crankcase vent plugged?

Hugel · Jan 22, 2018

Only about 700 original hours on the tractor. The sleeves had no lip at the top from wear. And the cylinders all measured with .002 of each other. I measured three place on the top and bottom of the cylinders. Everything was in tolerance to the new pistons.

Hugel · Jan 22, 2018

I will check the valve cover vent tube but I did see that it was puffing some smoke. When it was running last time.

John Deere D · Jan 22, 2018

Were the Sleeves CHROME or CAST?

Chrome sleeves .....I always install Cast Rings:

Cast Sleeves I always Install ...Chrome Rings:

Bob..Owner Operator MF FE 35 X 3 cylinder Perkins:

ptfarmer · Jan 22, 2018

If you just hone the cylinders you usually use cast iron piston rings. When you hone a cylinder you are only removing the glaze, but the cylinder bores are still hard from all the hot, and cold cycles over the years so you have to use the "soft" cast iron piston rings so the rings will seat in, and seal. When you have a engine bored, or put in new sleeves the cylinders are "soft" again so you can use piston rings with coated "hard" piston rings (the cylinder bores will seat in). On engines with chrome cylinder sleeves I'll change the sleeves, pistons, and rings in a kit if needed.

John Deere D · Jan 22, 2018

I should have mentioned. I have always changed the sleeves, pistons, and rings as a unit, on a Perkins A3.152 Diesel Engine: I never have changed out only the Pistons and Rings.

There is a 99.99% chance your engine has Sleeves as per the serial # of the engine. However, there are updated SLEEVES that are machined to change out the CHROME SLEEVES and install Cast Iron Sleeves.

It will be interesting to know what material the sleeves are in your Engine?

Bob....

Phil Tibbetts · Jan 22, 2018

You could have got sleeves pistons and ring set for probably about the same price as the pistons and rings. I would never replace just the pistons and rings. IMO

Phil Tibbetts · Jan 22, 2018

Another thing, even though there didn't seem to be any ridge there is a possibility that a very minute ridge together with new rings and pistons ( no guarantee the ring grooves were in the exact sane spot) and with the new rings having a relatively sharp edge you might have broken rings. IMO

John Deere D · Jan 23, 2018

This is the ENGINE SERIAL # on my MF FE 35 X 1963:

When you check the SERIAL # on your Perkins Engine you can then trace down the OEM sleeve configuration.....Chrome or Cast Steel??

Hugel · Jan 23, 2018

(quoted from post at 11:21:02 01/23/18) This is the ENGINE SERIAL # on my MF FE 35 X 1963:

When you check the SERIAL # on your Perkins Engine you can then trace down the OEM sleeve configuration.....Chrome or Cast Steel??

I track the dash vin tag down as a 1961. Not sure if that will tell us what the sleeves are

ptfarmer · Jan 23, 2018

Perkins diesel, chrome liners used prior to engine serial number 1829891.
835756M91 Piston Assembly (Perkins No. 59156) (Original part number 732650M91)
732638M1 Liner, Cylinder Block (Piston Sleeve) (Perkins No. 31358308)

Perkins diesel, chrome liners used in engine serial numbers 1829891 thru 1935853.
835756M91 Piston Assembly (Perkins No. 59634) (Original part number 733147M91)
732638M1 Liner, Cylinder Block (Piston Sleeve) (Perkins No. 31358308)

Perkins diesel, cast iron lines used in engine serial number 1935854, and up.
734459M91 Piston Assembly, Complete (Perkins No. 81874)
734175M1 Liner, Cylinder Block (Piston Sleeve) (Cast Iron) (Perkins No. 31358322)

John Deere D · Jan 23, 2018

Info from Massey Ferguson "MASSEY DEALER SHIP" SERVIVE MANUAL"

Hugel · Mar 3, 2018

Hugel · Mar 3, 2018

I pulled the head off today and it doesn’t look good. Any suggestions as to what I did wrong.

Hugel · Mar 3, 2018

Here is a picture of the new piston before I put it in.[/img]

GarryinNC · Mar 3, 2018

Did you check the piston ring end gap of each ring with the ring pushed down square in the cylinder?

Hugel · Mar 3, 2018

Yes I checked the end gap of all rings using the piston to square them in the bores. Everything was within spec.

John Deere D · Mar 4, 2018

I sent you Two pictures on 01-23-2018 13:30:31:

(1)Please post back on "YT" the SERIAL NUMBER as per the ENGINE picture I posted for you,as to the location of the ENGINE SERIAL N0.

The serial NUMBER on the engine ( as per picture you were sent) shall indicate what material the SLEEVES were when the engine was new:

The DASH serial number may NOT be indicative of the engine year of manufacture...Engines from time to time are swapped out???

(2) Check the MF 35 service manual (as per picture I sent you)as per ENGINE SERIAL NUMBER versus SLEEVE composition.. e.g.. Chrome or Cast.........?

Bob...Retired Power engineer...Owner operator MF FE 35 X...

Hugel · Mar 4, 2018

Looks like my serial number shows that I have chrome liners.

John Deere D · Mar 4, 2018

I'm not able to enlarge the below picture. The Number 3 Ring on the piston,third ring down from top of piston. Is that Ring a ONE piece RIG? When you installed the number three ring was there instructions as to the proper orientation of this ring, as in which side of ring faces up?

Something has caused severe scuffing of the cylinder sleeves, thus the compression is not HIGH enough to generate the HEAT required to create ignition. Diesel is ignited from Heat of Compression.

I have overhauled several A 3.152 Perkins and I do not recall the # 3 ring looking like your picture .

Bob..

Hugel · Mar 4, 2018

That is a four piece segmented ring that one curls up next curls down and so on. I am positive that I have them installed in the right orientation. My thoughts are that the top ring is chrome. And that is where I went wrong. Thoughts?

ptfarmer · Mar 4, 2018

The top ring is chrome, and the 4th ring is chrome (you have them in the right order).

Hugel · Mar 4, 2018

Ok then I should have had regular cast rings in the first and fourth spots because Have the original CHROME liners still in the bores. Would that much damage happen that quickly with chrome rings and chrome liners?

ptfarmer · Mar 4, 2018

Need to get the piston out to have a look at it along with the rings.

John Deere D · Mar 4, 2018

Something has caused severe scuffing of the cylinder sleeves, thus the compression is not HIGH enough to generate the HEAT required to create ignition? Diesel is ignited from Heat of Compression

Severe scuffing why....?

Did you hone the sleeves before the NEW Pistons and Rings were installed?

Remove pistons......

Bob...

Hugel · Mar 4, 2018

Yes I honed the cylinders before I installed to pistons. Could the pistons not had enough oil on them when I assembled them in the cylinders? And scored right away? It was probably 4 weeks after I installed the pistons before I started it the first time.

ptfarmer · Mar 4, 2018

Right before I put a piston in I coat the cylinder with oil, and right before I compress the rings to install them into the cylinder I coat the piston, and rings with lots of oil. I've never rebuilt a Perkins with chrome liners, but I think you shouldn't have honed it.

ilraceu1965 · Mar 11, 2018

I'm completely new to tractor engines. I'm not new to building engines, mostly SBC street/race engines. Is it possible that he used a different alloy piston that expands at a different rate therefore needing more piston to wall clearance? Or are basically all replacement tractor pistons the same alloy. I could guess that a OE Perkins piston might be different than a China/ India replacement.

John Deere D · Mar 13, 2018

Hugel.....did you ever remove pistons and decide on the problem?

Just wondering........

Thanks...

Bob....

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