MF 135, Z134 engine clacking??

ptfarmer

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San Antonio, Tx
Working on a 135 with the Z134 engine, when you crank the engine over without the distributor in it, it sounds fine. When you crank it with the distributor in it, it makes a clacking sound (like when you hand crank a old poppin johnny). The distributor turns nice, and feels like it's suppo
 
the distributor turns good, and smooth. When its running at a idle it clacks, but goes away at working rpm's. The governor works fine when you load the engine, just can't figure out the clacking sound??????????????????
 
It has enough that you can feel it, but you can barely see it. I've seen distributors the were looser than this one, and they didn't make any noise.
 
It's a long shot but shine a light down the distributor hole and have a look at the gear on the cam. Bump the starter and see if you have any broken teeth.
 
Yeah, I cleaned and oiled a distributor so well, it was now the noisiest thing on the engine. Those weights can make a loud clank. Don't seem a spiral cut gear could make noise without one side or the other being ready to shear.. it all got to be bolted down good too...
???? Is there 'more' end play slop with the shaft ingaged??? The cam gear not snugged up? Can't be much...
 
When the engine is cold you can touch about any part of it, and feel the clack (good compression, and oil pressure). Kind of scary to be standing next to it when its running at idle. Took the distributor out of my 2135 industrial, and put it in the 135, it still makes the same noise. Now just waiting to see what the owners (wife/accountant) wants to do with it.
 
Do you by chance have a mechanics stethoscope? If not a longish screwdriver will work too. Touch it to various areas and put the other end to your ear. Like you are listening to the screw driver. You'll hear the noise all over but when you get close to where it actually is the problem it will get really loud. Might help you narrow down the location.
 
I bought a MF202 industrial with the Z134 engine about 15 years ago. Despite having a shiny new distibutor, it had the same symptoms you describe. My search for answers led me to a relationship with Yesterdays Tractors that continues till this day. At that time, there was a very knowledgeable fellow, Big Dean, who served as the defacto king of of the Massey board. He's since past, rest his soul, but not before helping many of us with our Massey problems. He had me check several things along the lines of which you already have, before declaring that the geared end of the camshaft (which engages the timing chain) was probably broken off. It is, to this day, a complete anathema as to how the darn thing could have run at all in such a condition, but he was correct. I had to remove the loader, split the tractor, and remove the timing cover to prove it. Symptoms were clacking and vibrating at the distributor, severe enough that removing the dust cover in the distro revealed metal shavings in the bottom. I would imagine listening on or near the front timing cover with a stethoscope would be informative. I came to believe the previous owner was well aware of the true nature of the problem and had slapped a new distro on just to sell it off. I ended up doing a complete overhaul and have had years of faithfull service from a machine that fits my needs well. Hope you find something less serious than what I describe, but it may be so.
 
(quoted from post at 15:43:21 02/06/17) I bought a MF202 industrial with the Z134 engine about 15 years ago. Despite having a shiny new distibutor, it had the same symptoms you describe. My search for answers led me to a relationship with Yesterdays Tractors that continues till this day. At that time, there was a very knowledgeable fellow, Big Dean, who served as the defacto king of of the Massey board. He's since past, rest his soul, but not before helping many of us with our Massey problems. He had me check several things along the lines of which you already have, before declaring that the geared end of the camshaft (which engages the timing chain) was probably broken off. It is, to this day, a complete anathema as to how the darn thing could have run at all in such a condition, but he was correct. I had to remove the loader, split the tractor, and remove the timing cover to prove it. Symptoms were clacking and vibrating at the distributor, severe enough that removing the dust cover in the distro revealed metal shavings in the bottom. I would imagine listening on or near the front timing cover with a stethoscope would be informative. I came to believe the previous owner was well aware of the true nature of the problem and had slapped a new distro on just to sell it off. I ended up doing a complete overhaul and have had years of faithfull service from a machine that fits my needs well. Hope you find something less serious than what I describe, but it may be so.


Thanks for info, since the weather has been kind of miserable lately I haven't done the stethoscope test yet (or even just looked at it). I my look at it later today.
 

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