Need Help with Loader Install

nrowles

Member
Please give input if you have any as I have aged significantly from this dreadful project. I originally posted in tractor talk. Got a few ideas but nothing is working so far. Figured I'd try here since this is where I normally post. To sum it up, on the Davis 102 Loader I mounted on my 135, the lift cylinders are hitting the tie rods when lowering. Below is word-for-word my last post in tractor talk. Sliding axle in, widening loader frame, and moving bottom cylinder straddle up are all ideas, that trust me, will not work.

I can't move axle in because I had to relocate the alternator due to loader install and bringing the axle in the tie rod hits the alternator. I have nowhere else to go with the alternator and I can't see that one slightly smaller will help.

I can't widen the width of the entire loader. It is maxed.

I will explain this one since this is what we had in mind. I will try to not make it confusing. What many of us thought would work as far as moving the bottom straddle up will not work. To get clearance on the tie rod I would have to move the straddle up around 6-8 inches. In addition to really flattening the cylinder, it also compresses it too much and I wouldn't be able to get my bucket down far enough. Reason I would have to go 6-8 inches is because the cylinder is making contact on the inside of cylinder (see 1st picture for reference). So I don't get near inch-for-inch clearance on how much I raise it. I'm mostly just getting the clearance on the tie rod travel. Meaning if I raise the cylinder straddle 6", my contact point is let's say 3" back on the tie rod, only giving me maybe 1.5" of additional clearance which isn't near enough. And that doesn't account for clearance lost in steering.

This is really the only other thing I can come up with. Moving the cylinder to the outside of the current mounting straddles.

Let's start at the top of cylinder. Everything is welded. Yellow square is 4x4 2" thick. The green line is 3/8". The white are holes. The black line around the holes is on the inside and is 3/8" for pin support. I am basically replicating the existing bracket, but on the side of the arm. I am going to use a heavy duty, tight fitting bolt and go through all 3 brackets to tie them all together.

For the bottom of the cylinder, I will drain the fluid because it needs fresh in anyways, and I will flush the reservoir a couple times with the drained fluid after done. The black line indicates where the main reservoir is welded on top of heavier tube frame. The yellow indicates heavy angle iron welded to the entire bottom, coming out a few inches from the side, and up a few inches. The 2 green lines are pieces of steel welded in to tie the angle iron to the side. The white dot is the drilled hole. Again using a heavy duty bolt to tie all mounting holes together.

Will this work, and if not, why?

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(quoted from post at 06:25:51 10/27/16) Can you narrow the front end enough to get clearance?
Zach

No. Narrowing the front end brings the tie rod into contact with the alternator. I had to move the alternator down and out to accommodate the loader frame. I have absolutely nowhere else to go with the alternator. Loader frame on top, power steering pump on inside/bottom, tie rod on outside.
 
Just as a quick note, it seems like nobody wants me to move my loader mounting. I think I may NEED to fabricate a way to get the alternator out of the way and slide the axle in.
 
Both my 135 and 203 with loader have generators on them. From what I see in your pics your alternator sticks out much further than my generators do. Why not put a generator back on the tractor? If that would help. Also, on my 203 the steering arms attach much closer to the tractor frame compared to the 135. You can see that in the pics I sent you.
 
(quoted from post at 08:08:29 10/27/16) Both my 135 and 203 with loader have generators on them. From what I see in your pics your alternator sticks out much further than my generators do. Why not put a generator back on the tractor? If that would help. Also, on my 203 the steering arms attach much closer to the tractor frame compared to the 135. You can see that in the pics I sent you.

As far as the generator, I don't know much about electrical and how to go back to the generator. Also, I thought the alternator was superior to the generator and was hoping to keep it.
 
I would raise the alternator up as close to the bottom of the loader frame as possible. I know it will stick the alternator out but as long as it doesn't hit the lift cylinder is all that matters. If you ever need to remove/reinstall the loader you would need to remove the alternator to get it out of the way.
 
Can"t your move your wheels in to the next setting? I think that you can, and that looks like it should solve it. That is what I had to do
with my MF135 to make my loader fit and work properly.
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Show us a picture of the loader bucket. If you could modify the loader bucket by raising the pin locations the loader arms would not need to go
down so far. On the first Terratrac loaders the pivot was probably a foot above the bottom of the bucket. You would need to add stops to limit
the lower travel of the loader arms. May be worth a try?
 
Well........I have moved my axle/wheels in one notch. Robilmichael, they were where yours are in your picture, I'm now one adjustment less in width than you. I have room for the cylinders now but there is no way my current alternator is going to fit anywhere even with fabrication.

Anybody know the dimensions of the Hitachi 14231 alternator? I cannot find these online anywhere. My current alternator is 5 1/2" in diameter not including the bolt holes and 6 1/2" in length.
 
(quoted from post at 16:05:36 10/27/16) Show us a picture of the loader bucket. If you could modify the loader bucket by raising the pin locations the loader arms would not need to go
down so far. On the first Terratrac loaders the pivot was probably a foot above the bottom of the bucket. You would need to add stops to limit
the lower travel of the loader arms. May be worth a try?

Will consider this if I run in to much issue with alternator mounting.
 
I see a simple fix. Move the cylinders to the outside of the loader and make another piece for the pin to go through on
outside. JD loaders do this when they put dual lift cylinders on. Google that and you will see what im talking about.
 

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