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Massey 65 (Gas) vs Ford 801 (Diesel)

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spayne67

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I am looking at two unrestored tractors, both look to be in good shape. One is a gas 1961 MF-65 for $1700 the other is a Ford Powermaster Diesel 801 for $3200. I know the Massey is heavier and possible a little more HP but looking for opinions on the pros and cons, please.
 

This one might go down to condition. The Massey has a little more weight which I like. According to Tractor Data, the Ford is pushing 60 HP, the Massey 50. That 801 is a lot more tractor than my 641 which had about 31 HP. I sold my Ford and bought a Massey 135, and that was no comparison. The Massey was much more tractor. I'd go with the Massey for weight and price. But, I know nothing about the 801. Let the guys with real knowledge advise, Joe.
 

















I should have mentioned that it would mainly be used for bush hogging or using a finishing mower, post hole auger and moving a few round bales. I am sure the Ford is either an 841, 851, or 861. What about a gas John Deere 2010R?
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The 801 may or may not have a two stage clutch for the PTO depending on the transmission. I think all MF65s had the two stage clutch. The MF65 also has the high/low range transmission which gives you the option to go very slowly if needed which is nice for mowing in tight or unknown areas. If the 801 has the select-o-speed transmission it can go slower as well but the standard 4 and 5 speed transmissions in the Fords won't go as slow and only give you one reverse gear.

That is a pretty cheap price for a working MF65, at least in my area. What is it's condition?

Dan
 
Just buy em both & decide later. I've got an 841(which the one you posted looks like) and a MF65 both are pretty good tractors.
 
Ain't no way the Ford diesel has 60 HP, that's a misprint. More like 45-46. It would need a turbo to get to 60, but then you would drive over the crankshaft..
 
The 801 either has a 4 or 5 speed, the JD 2010's spend more time in the shop than it actually does work. The 65 has at least 6 forward, and 2 reverse gears, live, or possibly independent pto, and it can take a real beating unlike the other two.
 
(quoted from post at 09:12:31 08/04/16) Ain't no way the Ford diesel has 60 HP, that's a misprint. More like 45-46. It would need a turbo to get to 60, but then you would drive over the crankshaft..
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I thought that sounded like a lot. I went back and Googled Ford 801 and Tractor Data came up with the Ford 861. It posts a claimed gross HP of 62.6, engine hp of 56.3, and belt 40 HP. that's on the 172 CI gasser.

I thought I would cry when PT said the JD 2010 was a junker. My first tractor, more than 40 years ago, was a JD 2010 diesel. It ran a Bliss industrial wood splitter. It had a pretty easy life, but I loved that old thing.

I hope you let me hang out here still, My Massey 135 will be getting an easy go of it too, mostly mowing my 7 acre field once a month or so, Joe.
 
Your 2010 had a easy life, if you would have worked a field with it you probably wouldn't have even thought about getting another one of them.
 
Ford 861 gasoline tractors are rated at 48+ PTO HP. The diesel versions at about 42 PTO HP.

The pictured tractor is an 841 with four speed transmission and no live PTO.

Dean
 
Tractor data is full of misprints.For example, it says The MF 590 had a 90hp engine and produced 67hp at the PTO (Some power loss eh!) Actually The engine fitted to The 590 was rated at 75hp.
 
I bought the Massey 65. Sounds strong, no smoke, PTO and 3-point "seem" to work good, cosmetically sound but old 60+ year point. Excited for the project. Thanks everyone for the advice.
 
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