Adding PTO to Massey Ferguson 30B industrial

I was looking at another thread here with the same question from 8 years ago, I tried to reply but was unable due to the archive. So I'm posting a new thread.

I have a Massey Ferguson MF 30B industrial with 3pt, shuttle shift instant reverse, and loader. I would like to add PTO. I've seen several threads that say its not terribly difficult, but no one actually does it, nor posts really how. Everything is always rather vague.

Is it just a matter of unbolting the cover plate on the back, sliding the shaft in and bolting it up, then adding the lever assembly on the left? Is there additional bearings or gears that have to be added? Plugs that need removed?

I understand the PTO will run backwards in reverse and an over run clutch will need to be installed on the pto spline. What else? If someone can get me headed in the right direction i'll do it and take pics of the process.

First thing that needs to be done is to find out if you have a early, or late production tractor (what is the tractor serial number?). Second, if it is late production does it have dry, or wet brakes? Third, does your existing cover where the pto lever would go does it have ports for auxiliary hydraulics?

(quoted from post at 19:36:31 06/15/16) First thing that needs to be done is to find out if you have a early, or late production tractor (what is the tractor serial number?). Second, if it is late production does it have dry, or wet brakes? Third, does your existing cover where the pto lever would go does it have ports for auxiliary hydraulics?

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It's a 1980. Serial number is 9A336871. I think they were made through 81 so that would be considered late model right? Wet Brakes. The cover does not have ports for auxiliary hydraulics. See attached photo. Thanks

I have never put a pto into a tractor that didn't have it, but according to my brother who used to work at a Ford tractor dealership it wasn't very difficult to do (you just need the parts for it). He doesn't think putting one in a MF tractor shouldn't be any different. I have a 1965 MF 2135 industrial tractor that has the pto, and some transmission parts I needed were hard to find (manual shuttle shift) until I found http://www.gbdorning.com/. They used to be a big MF industrial dealer from what I was told, and they were able to get the parts that I couldn't find for my MF industrial. If anyone would know about putting a pto in a MF industrial they should.

How good is the instant reverse working on your tractor?

(quoted from post at 22:37:03 06/15/16) I have never put a pto into a tractor that didn't have it, but according to my brother who used to work at a Ford tractor dealership it wasn't very difficult to do (you just need the parts for it). He doesn't think putting one in a MF tractor shouldn't be any different. I have a 1965 MF 2135 industrial tractor that has the pto, and some transmission parts I needed were hard to find (manual shuttle shift) until I found http://www.gbdorning.com/. They used to be a big MF industrial dealer from what I was told, and they were able to get the parts that I couldn't find for my MF industrial. If anyone would know about putting a pto in a MF industrial they should.

How good is the instant reverse working on your tractor?

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Yeah I think it can be done. And I think most of it is already there. The instant reverse is working top notch. Everything is working great aside from a few leaky cylinders.

I've been reading over Big Deans CD, apparently he was really good with Massey Ferguson, but passed away several years ago.

I found this statement:

"Three point & PTO On Instant Reverse :The Instant Reverse Transmission or sometimes called a hydraulic shuttle that are found in a lot of the Industrial tractors. The PTO & the hydraulic pump will only turn when one of the pedals is pushed down. In order to raise the three point you either have to be moving or have the shifter in neutral with one of the pedals pushed down. [i:b41aa4d633]Most[/i:b41aa4d633] of these did not come with PTO on them."

I also found a diagram I have attached. From my understanding the PTO clutch disengages the 3PT hydraulic pump, and the PTO shaft is connected to the 3PT pump via a coupler that moves back and forth.

My system must have a clutch setup for the 3pt hydraulics (and in turn for the PTO), because unless I step on the pedal 3pt will not move. Since I have a clutch that controls the 3pt, and I have 3pt hydraulics then the only thing left would be the PTO shaft, and everything associated with it (bearings, spacers, retaining plate, etc) and the control lever and everything associated with it (cover plate, roller pin, seal etc. Probably the easiest way would be to find a doner of similar make which is quite a bit of tractors and move everything over.

The pto would only engage when the pedal is pressed but that's alright.

BigDean was really good with MF equipment. If you really don't need the instant reverse, or if it gives you trouble it maybe hard to get parts to fix it (or they could be really expensive). You could always find a MF 245 with the same engine your 30B has, and get everything from the flywheel back to swap out the instant reverse. The main reason why you didn't find out much, or how to put a pto shaft in a tractor that didn't have it is that most decided not to buy one if it didn't have pto.

(quoted from post at 08:57:15 06/16/16) BigDean was really good with MF equipment. If you really don't need the instant reverse, or if it gives you trouble it maybe hard to get parts to fix it (or they could be really expensive). You could always find a MF 245 with the same engine your 30B has, and get everything from the flywheel back to swap out the instant reverse. The main reason why you didn't find out much, or how to put a pto shaft in a tractor that didn't have it is that most decided not to buy one if it didn't have pto.

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There's plenty of industrial tractors out there. I think it more has to do with the generation that owns them aren't generally internet savvy. So documenting the process hasn't been done. The last ones built were in 1982, more than a decade before the internet really got going. Plus the people that buy the tractor without PTO probably didnt need it, I don't necessarily need it myself. I bought the tractor for driveway maintenance and misc loader/boxblade work around my acreage, then a realized it might be nice to have a PTO for mowing too, and decided If the process isn't too hard then why not just add it

Basically you will need a complete shaft assembly with bearing , seal and carrier and the engaging gear for inside plus the lever and plate for the side....I think it should work but as said before check how many splines on the shaft on the back of the
hydraulic pump.....Photo shows the gear you need and the selector fork...Remember to remove the roller from the linkage controls from the other side before lifting the top cover!.........Sam

Here are the parts you would need,

(quoted from post at 20:26:47 06/16/16) Basically you will need a complete shaft assembly with bearing , seal and carrier and the engaging gear for inside plus the lever and plate for the side....I think it should work but as said before check how many splines on the shaft on the back of the
hydraulic pump.....Photo shows the gear you need and the selector fork...Remember to remove the roller from the linkage controls from the other side before lifting the top cover!.........Sam

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Here are the parts you would need,

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Thanks for the information and pictures guys. The parts required don't seem too bad, especially with a doner they should all basically come off together. However, I was looking in my service manual and I found this information

"When no PTO shaft is installed, a pilot pin, is used with pin support, at rear of hydraulic pump. Tighten pin, to 50ft-lbs"

It had a couple dark pictures and there was no information on how this "pilot pin" is removed. I looked through Big Deans CD and found similar information and a picture of the "bullet" as he called it. But still no information on removal.

His Diagram says that in order to remove the pump the tractor has to be split between the rear housing and transmission. I've been searching everywhere for more information, pictures anything to give me an idea what this pin is and how it goes in. I changed my mind several times on what I was looking at and how the hydraulic pump actually connects with it. Still not entirely sure.

The pump shaft is supported by that small pilot shaft on the plug. That "bullet" should just press out because a bearing (part number 17) for the pto shaft goes onto the where the bullet is. The pto shaft has that small pilot shaft on the end to support the pump shaft.

(quoted from post at 11:01:49 06/17/16) The pump shaft is supported by that small pilot shaft on the plug. That "bullet" should just press out because a bearing (part number 17) for the pto shaft goes onto the where the bullet is. The pto shaft has that small pilot shaft on the end to support the pump shaft.

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Ok that makes sense. I guess in order to press it out the hydraulic pump would have to be moved out of the way, which sounds like splitting the mid section. Normally the PTO shaft would be slid back, but it looks like the bullet would be trapped by the pump.

It looks like you have to knock the "bullet" out forward. You would probably insert a shaft, or something through where the pto shaft would come out the back, and knock it out. Not ever having done it that looks like the way to do it.