M/F 165 engine swap

dmbinva · May 27, 2015

I have a 165 with a loader with a bad engine , it has multi power, I have a 165 with a good engine without multi power
will there be any problems with taking the good engine and putting it in the one with the loader?
I am a Ford IH guy
Thanks
Boss

Tony in Mass. · May 27, 2015

No... but unless you are in love with multipower, it's easier to just swap the loader.

Brendon Warren · May 27, 2015

It shouldn't be a big deal as long as both are gas or both are
diesel. They don't really mix and match unless you have a
complete tractor. If you have one of each it can be done but it'd
be more work.

Dieseltech · May 27, 2015

As mentioned, if both have the same make/model/fuel should be no problem. Early gas is G176 Continental while late gas is AG4.212 Perkins, don't think they will interchange easily without other parts too which you should have, just more work. The diesel would be the easiest as only the AD4.203 was used.

dmbinva · May 27, 2015

(quoted from post at 18:41:11 05/27/15) It shouldn't be a big deal as long as both are gas or both are
diesel. They don't really mix and match unless you have a
complete tractor. If you have one of each it can be done but it'd
be more work.

the one with the good engine has a junk hydraulic pump water in it and froze the one with the bad engine has a good hydraulic system. and a loader both are diesel

ptfarmer · May 27, 2015

(quoted from post at 19:09:24 05/27/15) the one with the good engine has a junk hydraulic pump water in it and froze the one with the bad engine has a good hydraulic system. and a loader both are diesel

Both are diesels, then its a easy swap, both are the Perkins AD4.203 engines.

DavidP, South Wales · May 28, 2015

Hmmm interesting....in the UK the Perkins A4.212 engine replaced the AD4.203 from 1967 to end of production.

DavidP, South Wales

Dieseltech · May 28, 2015

Wish that would have happened in the US, I'd much rather have the 212,236, or 248 than the shaking 203...

Bob N.Y. · May 28, 2015

Split both tractors behind the transmission and swap rear ends.

dmbinva · May 28, 2015

(quoted from post at 17:38:31 05/28/15) Split both tractors behind the transmission and swap rear ends.

That I have thought about, but one has multi power and the other does not will it work swapping behind the tranny ?
Boss

Brendon Warren · May 28, 2015

Right. I love my 65s but they do tend to vibrate. My 236s in the 175 and the 180s seem way more balanced.

Dieseltech · May 28, 2015

Perkins never put in the counterbalance in the 203 like the 212, 236, 248, 302, and 318 had. Brother growled at dad years ago the 165D kept shaking apart the car radio he had redneck mounted on the fender. The 180 radio stayed together just fine..

ptfarmer · May 28, 2015

The 203 diesel doesn't have a balancer in it like the 212, 236, and others do.

DavidP, South Wales · May 29, 2015

Perkins did not fit the Lanchester balancer unit in UK 165s with the 212 engine although it was fitted to French and American-made ones. Apparently the 212 and 236 in their original specification without the balancer did suffer vibration problems. Perkins decided to fit the balancer to the 236 only. In extreme cases the balancer would be retro-fitted to the 212.

DavidP

Bob N.Y. · May 29, 2015

Bob N.Y. · May 29, 2015

ptfarmer · May 29, 2015

The 4.203 is basically a 3.152 with a extra cylinder (they both use the same rod, piston, sleeve), but the 3.152 has a balancer weight. I would imagine a engine machine shop that does engine balancing could balance the 4.203. They may not be able to get all the shake out, but it seems it could be made to run smoother than it does. They would probably have to balance it with the flywheel on the crank, then add, or remove weight from the flywheel.

Dieseltech · May 29, 2015

The US late 165 gas used the AG4.212 Perkins, neighbor had one. Engine needed repair after the hard air hose cracked at the carb once allowing dust to enter the engine. That engine had the balancer just like the US 236 and 248 did. There was an industrial 248 that did not have the balancer used by Allis-Chalmers in an articulated loader I've seen also, that block even looks different on the outside..

ptfarmer · May 29, 2015

The Perkins 212 gasser uses the same balancer as the Perkins 236 gasser (same part number). The balancer in the 236 diesel has the same basic balancer assembly as the gasser, but the diesel uses different weights in the balancer.

dmbinva · Jul 17, 2015

(quoted from post at 17:38:31 05/28/15) Split both tractors behind the transmission and swap rear ends.

What is the best way to get that line a loose at the left top of the trans/ rear inside. Pull the lift cover or the shifter top /

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