new to me 3165 industrial loader

georgeR

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I have recently acquired a 3165 loader tractor it has the perkins diesel, needs work and I haven't even had a chance to tinker with it but I have come across a parts tractor 175, as far as I can tell they are the same era, its also a diesel likely same perkins with a larger bore I assume, I wonder how similar are they actually, and how much can I use off the parts tractor?

I am thinking its the same just more power, if the block is the same than likely a lot of motor parts I can use like the injection pump for example, transmission and rear end are likely the same or the motors would interchange all together, but these are just assumptions, nothing concrete.

if one of yous know better please advise

thx.
George
 
Two different engines. 165 has a 203 and the 175 has the 236. If
you look you will the exhaust is on different sides. Rear end and
transmission are the same.
 

well at least the rear end and tranny are the same, I looked on tractor data, the farm versions, 165 and 175 show 2 hi-low ranges 12 speed, the 3165 industrial show only 6 speed, wonder if that is a typo, haven't looked at mime much
 
The 3165 industrial is basically the same, and share most of the same parts as a 165 farm tractor. If you need a tractor with a FEL the 3165 is the way to go (better hydraulics, stronger front axle/spindles). If the 3165 doesn't have a pto it's not too hard to add on. Don't need a FEL the 175 is the way to go, the Multi-Power is a nice option, but can be expensive to repair.
 
well the 175 I was considering sold very fast, guy was not looking for much nor did it look like there was much there, it was in pieces but supposedly complete, I only considered it should I need some parts to get mine going.

unfortunately those pesky responsibilities get in the way of what I want to do and I have not been able to do much with it, I have taken a tire off to fix it, looks like they had it filled with salt water, tube valve stem corroded and pretty much trashed the rim, its still solid enough to where I'm going to throw a tube on it for now, I haven't even heard this thing run yet, I'll have to revisit this issue at some point but for now I need to be able to move it and asses exactly what I got.

the loader arms have cracked in several places at some point and have been welded and reinforced thou it looks bad, may be solid but it sure looks like it took a beating, bucket is rusted through in places too, I wonder what the story is here, I have a similar age JD TLB with twice the hours and nothing of this sort, the loader is a 200 model, I wonder if this was too much of a tractor for it sure did not weather well

I needed a farm tractor with a 3 point and pto and this has that that, is why I bought it, and supposedly there is nothing major wrong with it, I have noticed the oil level is way over full I can almost smell a hint of diesel too,

so the plan is to find some time and get it running see if it moves under its own power and weather it makes any funny noises, as for the loader I probably will end up taking it off , not sure how I feel about loading the back tires at this point, plus I assume I would need extra weight on the rear, like a cement drum on the 3 point, since I have the JD 310 TLB its probably best to run this as a 3point farm tractor provided the rest of it checks out and there are no major issues

I'll post some pics soon

George
 
The 3165 will do good without the FEL. The fuel in the oil is probably going to be from either a leaking lift pump, or the front seal in the injector pump (usually it's a leaking lift pump). If it should be the front seal of the injector pump it's not that hard to put a new seal in it.
 
(quoted from post at 22:49:54 04/30/15) The 3165 will do good without the FEL. The fuel in the oil is probably going to be from either a leaking lift pump, or the front seal in the injector pump (usually it's a leaking lift pump). If it should be the front seal of the injector pump it's not that hard to put a new seal in it.

that is what I read, and that be the case it should not be an issue at the moment getting it running, not knowing the history I shall drain some and see about getting it started as soon as I get a chance to mess around.
I saw another on Cl the other day without the loader my guess it has a similar story, we'll see what I got once it makes some smoke.
 
so I had a chance to mess with it a bit today, fresh battery and terminals and it would not turn, I could hear it struggling could feel the starter engaging, after about a dozen bumps, just as the wires were getting hot it turned,

not sure how long it has been sitting, there was a bird nest for an air filter, I could see some signs of a leak at the primary hand fuel pump, likely explaining the high oil level, I tried priming it even some starter fluid barely almost puffed at some point nowhere near about to start.

so I think the next step should be some fresh fuel, filters, oil, fuel pump etc see if I can get it to puff. question is where do you all get your stuff from? got any part numbers?, I saw what I think is a cartridge oil filter and a fuel water separator on the right side, another fuel filter on the left, this thing is a pain to work on with the loader in the way.

I'm not even sure if I have enough compression to get it running that battery I had on it spun it rather fast, almost felt like the engine was not putting much resistance, and even after I released the start button still turned another full turn or 2.

any input much appreciated
 
ok so I have tried to look up some part numbers ad I am a bit dumb founded,

did the 3165 with ad4-203 perkins diesel have an oil bath air filter?

it is positioned sideways witch threw mw a curve ball doesn't look anything like my old Ferguson, I had my boy clean up a birds nest the other day my hands are too chubby

this site does not list the fuel filters, I took them off today one I could make out napa# 3166, they both look the same old fuel smelled like old paint, I also took the primary fuel pump off and some nasty stuff was draining out the head, mostly water, not good.

do any of you know better or share some part numbers?
 
so I tried to get this thing started today, and I have a feeling that there may be more wrong with it.

I had my suspicions but since the fuel filters were clogged and the diesel smelled like varnish, I figured some new filters and fuel may do the trick, but I could not get it to puff.

the motor spins pretty fast while cranking almost like there is no compression, guess that would be the next thing to check, I looked for glow plugs but could not figure if it has any did not see an obvious wiring harness, how do you go about doing a compression check on these and what numbers should I expect.

there are a little over 4 000 hours on the meter, I gave it some ether and not one puff, the engine was a bit frozen but with several starter bumps it freed up, maybe it need a rebuild.


any guidance much appreciated.

George
 
The piston rings are probably seized in the pistons, you can confirm this by pulling the injectors, put a little oil in each cylinder (a couple of caps full of oil from a cap off a quart oil bottle will do), put the injectors back in. The oil will seal the cylinders, and it will try to run for a few seconds. Sounds like you are probably going to need new sleeves, and pistons which can be done without splitting the tractor (in-frame rebuild).
 
(quoted from post at 22:22:59 06/03/15) The piston rings are probably seized in the pistons, you can confirm this by pulling the injectors, put a little oil in each cylinder (a couple of caps full of oil from a cap off a quart oil bottle will do), put the injectors back in. The oil will seal the cylinders, and it will try to run for a few seconds. Sounds like you are probably going to need new sleeves, and pistons which can be done without splitting the tractor (in-frame rebuild).

I asked an old timer about this. he mentioned some of those perkins engines had a decompressor for cold starts, supposedly the lever is in the vicinity on the injection pump, which would make sense, I got nothing coming out of the stack, no puff not even on ether,

I am not familiar with these motors, but one would assume that if something went wrong, as in suppose the previous owner went nuts with the ether, you'd get a piston or 2 malfunctioning, not all, this engine does spin rather fast under crank, almost like a gas motor with no spark plugs, I noticed that a couple weeks ago when I first got it cranking but since it has sat for who knows how long figured I best clean up the fuel system before I take it further, if all else fails guess an inframe is always an option, it would really suck if I go that route and it turns out I missed something as silly as a decompressor lever.
 
The is no decompression on the engine in your 3165, or no glow plugs. I bet its from someone using too much either on it, and or running it without the air filters.
 
(quoted from post at 11:06:41 06/04/15) The is no decompression on the engine in your 3165, or no glow plugs. I bet its from someone using too much either on it, and or running it without the air filters.

well it had a birds nest for an air filter when I got it, I have read that these motors do not like ether, guess I best pull the oil pan see what I find in it, either way I'll likely sit it out for a while.
 
You probably won't see much unless you pull the pistons out. Another thing you could do is pull the valve cover, and see if there is any stuck valves, or other valve train problems (very rare). It is also possible the head gasket could be blown between all the cylinders, not common, but possible.
 

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