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Need assistance identifying a MF35 and Perkins engine.

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TLedford

07-07-2014 15:44:44
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I recently purchased a MF35 and the serial number is SNW231852. From some of the data I have located, this serial number denotes S=normal width chassis, N=Diesel Perkins A3.152 and W=Multi Power. The number it self represents a 1961 model. I have seen other listings that would indicate a 1963. How does one make sure?

The real clincher is what I believe to be the engine serial number found on the left side of the engine. Perkins specifies it to be on the right side (looking at the flywheel) for a 3.152 series, and it isn't there. The number is CL 192 O (or 0) 328 C. The only thing I have been reasonably able to ascertain is that the "CL" indicates cast liners making the overall tractor the possibility of being a 35X ?? The tractor is equipped with lights, multi power, two stage clutch, tachometer and a 6-speed transmission.

We are preparing for a down-to-the-metal restoration on this tractor and honestly, I am so confused at this point I had no other idea about what to do besides ask for help. I will appreciate any assistance solving this tractor mystery.

Thanks, Todd

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ptfarmer

07-14-2014 16:55:59
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 Re: Need assistance identifying a MF35 and Perkins engine. in reply to TLedford, 07-07-2014 15:44:44  
There should be a engine serial number on either the intake side, or rear of the engine block above the bell housing (it's a stamped in number) you may have to remove some parts, do some scraping of paint, and other stuff to find the number.



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TLedford

07-14-2014 12:49:10
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 Re: Need assistance identifying a MF35 and Perkins engine. in reply to TLedford, 07-07-2014 15:44:44  
I appreciate your offer but this tractor and its entirety has a home. My son and I are getting ready to do a full restore and was having difficulty identifying the engine to get parts. Unless something jumps out at you in the pictures, we will have no other choice than to go in the engine and examine the components to determine what we need.
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ptfarmer

07-14-2014 09:33:14
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 Re: Need assistance identifying a MF35 and Perkins engine. in reply to TLedford, 07-07-2014 15:44:44  
The 3.152 is a great engine, I'll trade you my Continental 4 cyl gas engine for the 3.152 you have if you really want a 4 cylinder engine.



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ptfarmer

07-13-2014 21:09:13
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 Re: Need assistance identifying a MF35 and Perkins engine. in reply to TLedford, 07-07-2014 15:44:44  
The Ferguson TO35 built from 1954 to 1960 used a Standard Diesel Company 2.3L 4-cyl diesel. The Massey Ferguson 35 built from 1960 to 1965 used the Perkins 3.152 diesel. The 1964 to 1975 used the Perkins AD3.152 engine. Here's another link you may find helpful http://www.foleyengines.com/resources/tech-tips/perkins-serial-numbers
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samn40

07-13-2014 15:32:31
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 Re: Need assistance identifying a MF35 and Perkins engine. in reply to TLedford, 07-07-2014 15:44:44  
CL=chrome liners and 192 would indicate it has a 65 type 192 cubic inch engine? pictures would help?.................

Sam



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TLedford

07-14-2014 06:34:07
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 Re: Need assistance identifying a MF35 and Perkins engine. in reply to samn40, 07-13-2014 15:32:31  
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Wow! Thank you for that information. I will try to upload an engine picture for you this afternoon. Also, where can references to my "non-typical" engine serial number be found?



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ptfarmer

07-14-2014 08:23:21
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 Re: Need assistance identifying a MF35 and Perkins engine. in reply to TLedford, 07-14-2014 06:34:07  
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If its 192 cubic inches it would be a 4 cylinder engine.



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TLedford

07-14-2014 09:18:39
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ptfarmer

07-09-2014 21:09:20
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 Re: Need assistance identifying a MF35 and Perkins engine. in reply to TLedford, 07-07-2014 15:44:44  
F. Perkins Ltd was bought by Massey Ferguson in 1959 (MF was Perkins largest customer before 1959). In 1994 Perkins became a subsidiary of LucasVarity. Perkins was also a supplier to Caterpillar since the 1970's, in 1998 Caterpillar bought (and still currently owns) Perkins. Perkins also bought Rolls-Royce diesel of Shrewsbury in 1984, Perkins then bought Gardner Engines in 1986. Some Ford, International tractors also used Perkins engines. Ford cast the blocks, and heads for the Perkins engines that got used in Ford tractors.

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ptfarmer

07-09-2014 14:33:01
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 Re: Need assistance identifying a MF35 and Perkins engine. in reply to TLedford, 07-07-2014 15:44:44  
The AD3.152 Perkins diesel (some refer to it as 3.152), my brother has a 1965 MF 150 row-crop, and a 1972 MF 135 with the AD3.152. It's a great, efficient little engine that goes along way on fuel. Wish my 1965 MF 2135 Industrial tractor had the AD3.152 instead of the Continental Z134 4 cylinder gas engine. On my brothers 135, and 150 they both have a tag on the intake manifold.



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ptfarmer

07-09-2014 14:37:57
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 Re: Need assistance identifying a MF35 and Perkins engine. in reply to ptfarmer, 07-09-2014 14:33:01  
You can also go to http://www.agcopartsbooks.com/PartsBooksN/login.aspx?region=NorthAmerica log in as guest user, you can then search by model number, or chassis number.
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TLedford

07-09-2014 16:55:47
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 Re: Need assistance identifying a MF35 and Perkins engine. in reply to ptfarmer, 07-09-2014 14:37:57  
I appreciate all of the assistance and for the different links. I have MonoCyl on my block, and of course, I chased that down thinking someone may have changed mine out with a Fordson 3.152. Of course, this led to another pile of rocks. However, you all should find this interesting....I went as far as contacting a Perkins distributor with all of the previous information. Earlier today I received an email from them stating that I needed their overhaul kit U5MK9141 for a D3.152 engine. Is it worth pondering that somewhere down through the years the right hand actually didn't know what the left hand was doing?

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Stick welding

07-07-2014 18:53:01
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 Re: Need assistance identifying a MF35 and Perkins engine. in reply to TLedford, 07-07-2014 15:44:44  
Most AD3-152's had the casting date on the bottom of the oil pan. Maybe the earlier A3 did as well? Generator could also have a date on it. Engine serial is usually above the injection pump but I think a 35X used the AD3 direct injection engine as kind of a test bed for the 135.



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TLedford

07-08-2014 14:25:26
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 Re: Need assistance identifying a MF35 and Perkins engine. in reply to Stick welding, 07-07-2014 18:53:01  
Thanks for your response. I was under the impression that the AD3.152 was used in the UK. However, I am going to check the tractor again based on your recommendations.



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C. T. in Oklahoma

07-08-2014 07:06:35
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 Re: Need assistance identifying a MF35 and Perkins engine. in reply to Stick welding, 07-07-2014 18:53:01  
Interesting, this site shows that you have a 1962 based on the serial number you posted.
C. T.



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TLedford

07-08-2014 14:33:22
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 Re: Need assistance identifying a MF35 and Perkins engine. in reply to C. T. in Oklahoma, 07-08-2014 07:06:35  
I agree with you. The fellow I purchased the tractor from indicated it to be a 1962. However, doing a little research to find out what the "SNW" meant revealed other serial number tables giving me model years from 61 to 63 !?! What I am really perplexed about is my engine serial number. I have CL192 0 (or O) 328 C. I can't order engine overhaul parts until I know what I'm dealing with. Any pointers would be appreciated.

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C. T. in Oklahoma

07-09-2014 07:42:11
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 Re: Need assistance identifying a MF35 and Perkins engine. in reply to TLedford, 07-08-2014 14:33:22  
These links might help a little. Plus, they also indicate that you have a 1962 model. C. T.
http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/000/7/2/729-massey-ferguson-35.html
http://www.tiscoparts.com/specs.aspx



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