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Clutch/ Gears Grinding

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rust-o

04-09-2014 08:45:31
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My Massey 3165 is grinding gears quite a bit. It is intermittent though. Sometimes it shifts fine, other times it grinds hard. It seems like the clutch isn't adjusted right. I fiddled a bit with the adjustment in the pedal linkage but am not sure how to the screws on the pressure plate. Is it something that can be done through the inspection window? or do I have to split it?

are there other reasons that would cause it to shift hard?

Any advice would be great!

Thanks

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Tony in Mass.

04-15-2014 08:12:06
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 Re: Clutch/ Gears Grinding in reply to samn40, 04-09-2014 08:45:31  
I am going to guess you don't have a manual- yet.
When your friend looks at the tractor, and you let him read the manual a few minutes, it will help him help you, and save his time. All the specs and methods of inspection and adjustments are in even the cheapest I&T paperbacks. Well worth the money in the long run...



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rust-o

04-14-2014 17:35:50
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 Re: Clutch/ Gears Grinding in reply to rust-o, 04-09-2014 08:45:31  
So i haven't found anything out about this clutch issue yet, but I talked to a friend of mine who is a tractor mechanic and he suggested I try to check the screws on the fingers. I will try to remember to post the outcome...

Any advice on adjusting those fingers? Is it possible to do it through the inspection window?

Thanks



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rust-o

04-09-2014 18:46:56
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 Re: Clutch/ Gears Grinding in reply to rust-o, 04-09-2014 08:45:31  
Some things I should add.

It is just a single stage clutch, with independent PTO

It doesn't grind bad shifting between gears, rather it grinds badly when coming out of N into 1 or R. from a standstill.

Also I recently had the tractor split apart and everything looked good in the clutch.
But it had this problem before I did the engine work that required me to split the tractor.

I guess i should have added all this in my original post!

Thanks for the replies so far.

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samn40

04-09-2014 23:57:09
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 Re: Clutch/ Gears Grinding in reply to rust-o, 04-09-2014 18:46:56  
I think you need to try another similar Massey, I think you will find it to be the same???
..........Sam



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samn40

04-09-2014 14:54:59
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 Re: Clutch/ Gears Grinding in reply to rust-o, 04-09-2014 08:45:31  
Another thing that David did not mention ...is the fact that these tractor will 'rasp' when selecting gear.....they are not syncromesh gears. As long as the clutch is not binding, then it is probably not at fault.....I have found over the years that you do not need to be gentle when selecting gears in these tractors, that lets them grind and chew gears, instead you need to dip the pedal....wait a bit and then ram the gear home rather sharply.......! ....Sam

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DavidP, South Wales

04-09-2014 09:08:23
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 Re: Clutch/ Gears Grinding in reply to rust-o, 04-09-2014 08:45:31  
Hi,
Remove the inspection plate and using a flashlight with the engine stopped carry out a visual inspection first.
Check and look for; Any pieces of clutch lining on the inspection plate or in the well behind the plate access. With the pedal 'up' there should be an even gap between the release bearing face and each finger screw. Have an assistant press the pedal. Check the amount of movement at each PTO adjuster screw as you prise the flywheel round. Are you able to engage gear smoothly if you push the pedal into the second stage? If so then it may be adjustment of the PTO screws is all that is needed. The standard gap is 090". This can be. It is not an exact figure but all adjustments must be the same. Increasing the gap will bring the second stage in later. Look for any evidence of oil contamination which would make the clutch lining 'sticky' and drag.

Let us know what you find.

DavidP, South Wales

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