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Re: Massey 165 Lift problems

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DavidP, South Wales

06-22-2013 07:04:42

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A lot of questions so I'll try and work through them one at a time. $2500 would equate to around 1650 for us. That's one huge amount of money.
What did you have done to justify that price?

Lift arms not falling and needing weight to push them down.
Lift the lift arms by hand. They should be perfectly free to lift and fall again under their own weight. At the end of the main top shaft is a bolt held with a tabwasher. The RH bolt should be fully tightened and tabbed. The LH bolt should be adjusted so that the lift arms drop under their own weight. Has this bolt been over-tightend perhaps in an attempt to disguise wear in the bushes or on the shaft?

The Response lever will not affect the speed of the lift. The operation of it is self priming. Providing that it has been adjusted correctly, if set to 'Fast' the arms should fall normally.

Loss of pressure at the 3-point and remotes may have been due to a blocked filter/s. Depending on the type of pump fitted it may have been necessary to split the tractor between the gearbox and centre casing to gain access to the aux filter. Does this tractor have an Independant pto?

From the symptoms that you describe the slow lift and fall could be due to incorrect adjustment of the internal linkage. What may be happening is that the lever on the pump which controls the raise, neutral and drop positions is not responding correctly to the commands given by the Position Control lever at the quadrant.

Is this repairer a MF franchised dealer? Do they have the special MF tools and experienced staff to carry out repairs of this sort? Whilst hydraulic overhaul is not a 'computer' job it does require experience.

Do you have a written description of the work done? I and I'm sure that meny reading this would be interested in seeing how the final figure was arrived at.

If the raise and lower speeds are not correct and you have to 'jump' on the 3-point to lower it then this clearly is not correct.
I would suggest that you get on the phone to the person in charge and bend his/her ear big-time about how much you have paid for a repair which is effectively useless. Off my soapbox now!

Please let us know as much as you can about the bill and how you get on.


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06-22-2013 19:01:01

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 Re: Massey 165 Lift problems in reply to DavidP, South Wales, 06-22-2013 07:04:42  
Ok thanks for the reply. I took it to the authorized MF AGCO dealer, and i have heard that the guy that worked on it is good with older Masseys.....

pretty much When i took it in i thought that the either that filter was clogged or the pump was bad. I pulled the lift cover planning to change the filter but it is one of those that you have to split to get to the filter... so i decided, being that i had hay that needed to be made and i was in a bit of a hurry, that i would just trailer it down to the dealer and get them to fix it quick... well that didnt happen... it was in the shop 2 weeks! They replaced the filter and some o rings on the stand pipe, but they didnt have to replace the main pump. They said the problem was that 3 of the 4 bolts that hold the pump together were sheered of and it was losing pressure there, but the pump was ok. they just replaced those bolts. (expensive bolts i guess!) anyway when i picked it up the service guy told me the price ball park would be approx 2500 i haven gotten the actual bill. but i will post the cost break down when i get it. One thing they did is replaced the aux pump that runs the IPTO cause it was in poor condition. but that was only 800....

anyways i'll get back with the exact cost breakdown.

Thanks for the info so far!
This post was edited by rust-o at 19:05:16 06/22/13.

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DavidP, South Wales

06-24-2013 01:59:21

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 Re: Massey 165 Lift problems in reply to rust-o, 06-22-2013 19:01:01  
Hi Dwayne,
The time required to carry out the pump replacement even with splitting the tractor should be little more than a day's work, even with basis equipment.
I have spoken with a friend who worked in the Service Dept at MF in the UK and he agrees that the problem of slow lift is likely to be bad adjustment of the internal linkage.
He advises that you contact this MF agent and get them to sort it out.
Meanwhile we await any more info you can give us on the account and what was done.

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06-24-2013 04:21:24

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 Re: Massey 165 Lift problems in reply to DavidP, South Wales, 06-24-2013 01:59:21  
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I'm going to call them today and ask them to do adjust that linkage. Maybe they can send someone out rather than me having to take it in again. I'll let you know how it turns out.

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DavidP, South Wales

06-24-2013 02:01:16

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 Re: Massey 165 Lift problems in reply to DavidP, South Wales, 06-24-2013 01:59:21  
Oooops, sorry, got your name confused with another posting further down the page.


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