Late 63' MF 202

Would've had a 50's (I think that was the year) CASE with the 3 most important attachments one might want on a tractor...that ran good with only CON being a bent front wheel. Sellers wanted only 2200$ OBO & was only about 18 miles away too. A Coulda Woulda Shoulda of not reacting soon enough. Only plus side to THIS sob story was after that find fell through though...well...lets say that while trying to find a tractor I came across an 81' Miller WildCat 350D last year...so if I break anything it can be fixed.

Oh well...found a Massey instead...and closer.

Trying to plan ahead here since some definite TLC is in order so started looking up manuals after finding out that a Massey I found is a most definite GO! To the point of the aforementioned planning ahead: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0872881245/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&seller=
Is this the right one to cover the 202 Work Bull?

This one doesn't have the backhoe on it...though it probably did at some point in its past but now only has a box scraper. A quick rundown is this: It has the Continental 4-cyl 134ci (2.2L), loader front end (what I've been needing), 3pt & PTO (1 without the other is like having 1 leg instead of 2). It's complete and all there though has been sitting for the last few years...so going to be a beast to get it running long enough to get it loaded on a trailer to get it home...merely 10 miles 1-way...though for where I'm at this convenience is a lucky-as-all-hell find.

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It has definitely seen better days but for 1200$ its better than the alternatives I've found. I HATE having to ask for help for some things...so wasn't looking forward to getting that help just to follow up on to collect the scarce pickings half-way across the state and 2 hours or better away. Most others I found for this price either had just the 3pt//PTO, or had that including the loader (some minus the bucket) and were in FAR worse shape, or had loader//3pt...and potential engine problems outright for nearly 3k. The tires definitely need replacement; rears are holding air for now...the front is blocked up but those look intact but in AZ desert tires go on their own but SHOULD hold air long enough to load it up for its homeward bound trip. Well I'm under budget which frees up the rest for whats needed.

I'm no stranger to tractors//equipment, though actual maintenance on them myself is limited. BUT I know where to get help in that dept when needed. Though if it has a gas engine I'm none too worried about tangling with power plant issues...done enough of that with rebuilding my own vehicles. Though I understand diesels enough enough to at least try.

Been looking for a tractor for some BADLY needed yard//property cleanup (20 years of accumulation)...and as a general utility in a place where that 3rd-4th-etc set of hands is never around.
 
you should try and simplify your questions for better responses, I read your post twice and am not really sure of what your asking, Hey we are only lowly tractor mechanics here....
 
Sorry about that. I know I do have a tendency to end up adding a bit more filler material to a question than is necessary. I should've put the question at the END of the post...not middle.

The question was: Is the manual below the one that covers the 202? Wanted confirmation.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0872881245/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&seller=

Since that novel-of-a-post I kind of answered my own question and found an additional one that focuses on the 202//204 in more detail. Between this one and the amazon one (though also sold at same place as the 2nd find), I'd have a good chuck of the reference literature.
 
Have a look here ....
ebay.com .... search for item number: 271217102246 reckoned to be good including stuff for the 202/203 series.
 
Not surprising. But good to know beforehand.

An update on the tractor...
It's all paid for and Bill of Sale in hand. THEY had one made up and so did I...so got 2 copies. Then headed off to work on my prize.

First checked the fluids...radiator still had coolant in it so didnt quite take a gallon to fill up. Heck...a 58 Dodge I had that sat for nearly 30 years...still was damp under the radiator cap. Oil level is between the marks and of reasonable consistency. Once I get it home all fluids are getting changed out.

Without a key...either its over in New Mexico or lost elsewhere...pulled the ignition switch (had one at home but forgot to bring it) and got the connection jumped. A push-button is already in place to actually do the cranking. It cranks over...GOOD! A quick spray of starting fluid in the carb and it kicked over and ran for a second...EVEN BETTER!

Gas tank was dry (to be expected), so put in just over a gallon. Sadly no fuel began dripping out the hose I'd disconnected at the carb. Pulled the bowl...had rust in the bottom and even with the valve open nothing came out of the tank...but a spurt of compressed air took care of this.

At the moment the fuel supply is the only hangup. It's getting enough of a trickle (wont flow) to run while sitting but not enough when trying to move it...tries to die. So going back later today to pull the tank to make cleaning the outlet less of a hassle.

As for the hydraulics, its definitely low and//is in need of attention as the 3pt will seep back down when the engine is off. But the lift will stay up on its own...

Tires...well lets say that its certainly in the realm of possibility that the rears have possibly only been changed out 1 time...and probably more than 20 years ago given the state of dry rot. The fronts are holding up (after removing the blocks under the front) but are nothing a couple heavy truck tires cant fix.

All in all...seems that its 1200$ well spent given that a stubborn fuel supply is the only thing preventing it from being loaded up.
 
Went back after leaving the hottest part of the day behind with the intent of trying to deal with the fuel issue. Planned on pulling tank...and did but was the last thing done. I'd put in 2 full gallons of fresh gas...so pulled the outlet//bowl to draining it back into a container it came out looking like muddy water in color. The fittings going to the bowl were filled with scaly junk. Well THAT would be an issue...the dribble getting through is enough to keep it going at idle but not load.

However there is another problem. During the attempts earlier to get the tractor loaded up, it was getting harder to start, ie more click-click-clicking. Solenoid is trying to work but isn't kicking the starter over. On closer inspection the solenoid apparently lost a chunk at some point and so had a piece of duct tape over it...and could see inside when pushing the button to see it go CLICK. Pulled the starter with intent to clean and also found a crack going along the back end of the solenoid. Not sure if that has to do with or not.

Also needs a new resistor between button//coil...the one on there was cracked wide open and fell in half (connected only by the internal wire) when I unbolted the coil to get it out of the way.

[b:cd0765b805]Just in case, are there any online sources and or compatible older truck starters for replacements? [/b:cd0765b805] or [b:cd0765b805]At least the solenoid? [/b:cd0765b805] Of course need to work with the Continental 134ci. I know some of the older ford tractor parts were interchangeable like that. I'll be checking a local auto-parts store...I've seen them handling hydraulics and SOME equipment. I'll go to the local equipment rental place that also sells parts...as last resort...since no doubt they will want parts $$ plus some.
 
So you are in Arizona? Yeah, clean the gas tank. I bet there's a cup of dirt in there, and the tube of the sediment bowl- but you did get it running? cool.
Don't worry about the 3 point, it is suppose to stay up while running, but slowly fall back when off, a safety feature sorta thing.
Tires are tires, that's why I haunt Craigslist twice a day. Yes, stiff sidewall truck 16's are perfect for the loader tractors.
Any of the manuals with 134 cu.in. in the title will get you going, but an operator's for your particular one is nice too. You are luck to get an industrial with 3 point and pto, lots don't.
Can you post pics on here? That can be harder than fixing tractors.....
 
My dad is going to help me with the gas tank...not only to help wash out any rust but get rid of gunk its going to get a dose of DAWN//water to try and break up any of the goop that the OLD gas left behind.

Pulled the sediment bowl...fittings and all this time from the tank; cursed thing was plugged almost solid at the first brass fitting. Nothing that some carb cleaner and [b:51a23c5ddb] bailing wire [/b:51a23c5ddb] can't fix. Though the bowl gasket is shot...and after seeing gas again after a long time...is now TOO big around to go back in place.

Starter was beginning to act up during the failed load attempt...would just click when went back to get the tank off. Pulled it and cleaned it when got it home...must've been a half dozen heaping tablespoons of rust fall out of it. Sadly after a cleaning and re-lubing the romex engages but the starter wont turn. Fortunately a replacement has been found for about the same as a large-ish truck starter. (Was afraid it'd be a lump of cash on its own). So going to get one ordered tomorrow. ALSO, the ceramic resister going to the coil...had a Grand Canyon of a split in it...only thing holding it together was the internal wire.

Craigslist; spam posts aside its a handy place. Found numerous slim pickings there...including that first :cry: tractor. As tires go, like you I'll be lurking there too. That's where I found a few possible tractor options, though most were in conveniently placed since I don't have a means to haul on my own. I also have local options for tires, though sparse, since there are some shops that do business with tribal farms near the town I have to drive through on the way to work. Though once the tractor is home...a means is in the future.

I'd found ONE other tractor around here locally that had the same list of equipment this one has. It was that CASE mentioned at the beginning of my first post. Oh well. Definitely wanted a PTO though...the list of possibilities is FAR shorter without one. I have ideas for a small tractor-portable welding setup and sufficiently high gearing to make a WW2 bomber generator I picked up for 100$ last year spin up enough to work as said welder.

I'll see if this site will let me post pics this time instead of just links that must be copy pasted into your browser. The first attempt wouldn't let me.
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EDIT: IT WORKED! Yes...sadly the Massey has had an eye put out. :( It's still sitting where you see it parked...for now. :cry:
 
So where R U? Somewhere near St John's? And you don't have a trailer... yet... you or your dad must know someone with a trailer you can borrow, or pay to get it with you, or? U haul? rental place?
That box blade is worth a few bills right there, so you are well in the black ink, the tractor is well worth what you paid, even if it is blown, so don't worry about needing stuff. But you got to get it home.
The farms on the rez are not family? but tribal? Hard to swap and trade with a commity, but I would stop in and tell someone what you got, they might know who has tires and starters etc... btw, those are industrial tires, they might outlive you, as long as you don't get sidewall damage. The starter might just be poor electrical connections, unscrew everything from the starter terminal to the battery and wire bruch and sandpaper them - these need every amp of a 12 volt- don't be scared to jump it directly with booster cables either, these things are tough. You are in fine shape here, just figure a way to get it home..
This is my- earlier 202, before I took it home. Blown engine now rebuilt, plain rear end now an ag live pto and 3 point now in back, And ready to slide back in under the loader frame... now that is a job I don't look forward to... I'll post more pics later, but yours came out fine.
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I'd take the carb off, take it home, soak it in carb cleaner and rebuild with all new parts. Then rig up a temp. gas tank to get it on a trailer and work on it from the comfort of home. I've done a few rounds with a rusty gas tank on my 202 and just when you think it's over.........it's not over! When I picked up my TO35 I took the carb off my 202 with me and a new sediment bowl and fuel line, drove it right on the trailer.
Also......maybe just me being nit picky........I'd love to help you out with your tractor as I have one (well two really but the other one is not a 202) which I have learned a lot about.........but I won't bother to sift through a long winded post just to get to the meat and potatoes. Often I have just a few minutes to kill at work and will read a quick post or two and answer.........I'm sure lots of the guys on here are a bit like that. Not pickin' on you but just trying to help you get the best help possible.
 
That one looks familiar. Right down to the spool of wire in the bucket. Could've sworn I saw a listing for it.

Tractor is 7 miles West in Bouse with another 3-4 miles of back roads to reach tractor. My boss (lives in Bouse) is helping recover it. Of anyone I know around he has the only truck//trailer heavy enough to haul the load.

The farms surround Parker (34 miles West...with the Colorardo River a few more miles West) and are on a tribal reservation...though some parts are family run. Mostly grow alfalfa, though I've seen cotton in some fields, a few with wheat, and others I didn't recognize.

Tractor idles...just not enough fuel flow to move with plugged line. Just needs stay running long enough to load, then later unload. Less time spent on another's property the better. But needs starter work now. Rust poured out of starter when disassembled to clean//lube. Even after that it would not turn...only engage the romex. Acts like it shorted. Found replacement...just need to get it.

I'll try to limit future post sizes. I've gotten used to having to explain the goings to regards on other forums.
 
I would try to make up a small fuel tank just to get it loaded. It wouldn't need to be too big. To properly clean and coat the inside of your tank will take awhile. After fighting with mine after the previous owner had tried to re-coat it and a lot of the coating peeled off, thus repeatedly clogging the fuel lines, I wish I would have just bought a new tank for it.
 
I doubt you saw this for sale, the seller didn't even post a pic on CL, this came from about an hour west of Boston 6 months ago. I have posted it on these forums tho...
BTW, the starter gear is a 'Bendex', not a romex... that is what you wire a house with.
So you are in hell's kitchen? Kingman or Selgman area? Mucho caleinteeee..... maybe me and Inno can help you fix this tractor... in a few months... from like October to ...whenever it starts getting hot again... March? A couple years ago I saw a TO35 on the cal side of the river from you, for sale, painted wrong like most are, I have no idea what they farmed there... cactus plants?
A little to far to tow or drive home huh?
Like Inno is thinking, a small gas tank off a lawn mower tied to something higher would get you on the trailer.
 
Ah...okay then the image was probably a result then when I looked up Masseys then.
Thanks for the correction though. Knew it had -ex in it but not sure WHY i thought it was romex.

No...Kingman actually can see snow in the winter. I live about 2 hours drive South and another hour East. Last time a single flake dropped where I'm at was 30 some years ago. It's a few and far between winter gets cold enough here to even freeze water. Couple winters ago the highs were in the 70's very low 80's while places in the New England corner were getting buried//frozen.

Never seen any listings for tractors in that foreign land of California...at least none that weren't placed on the far side of the state.

As the tank goes it seems the cleaning did okay. 15-20 minutes of repeated flushing//draining until no more scale came out...then air dried. Was probably as bone dry after 10 minutes in this heat as it was before putting gas in it in the first place. But now its just a starter issue. Today thought had found a replacement...is for an International but otherwise appeared identical...the mounting holes were 90-deg to the solenoid instead of offset angle (just meant it'd point outwards a bit more and fight some hoses...until I tried to install it. Didn't see that the 'National had an extra large shoulder on it so it wouldn't fit the opening. Starter will go in but stop at the shoulder. Taking it back tomorrow to try and find a different one.

As for the offer to help get the tractor going? Hmm. I work at La Paz County Park where about 1/3 to 1/2 out winter visitors are from Canada, Washington//Oregon//Idaho region. Even have a few that make the trek all the way from Alaska.
 
OK, before you take this IH start back to wherever... if it is a Declo Remi, and sorta looks like it would have fit except for the extra ring at the hole... this part the 'nose'.... may be... interchangeable. Same motor innards, wiring, shell, but these noses 'might' be swapped around. Take the old one off your bad starter, and just hold it next to the IH one... if it looks like something you can do... but don't mess up the new one! Good luck.
Yeah I never been to your area in AZ, but I bet I can find it on a map. the TO35 I saw was near across the highway from...??? a military industrial looking megaplant on Rt 40 not far from the bridges. Lots of awesome tractors in central valley... but they all seem to be in good shape, and no one is giving them away...
 
Already took the starter back and got my old one to follow up on 1-2 other maybes. Had to drive through town to get home.

Before buying the IH in the first place I held them side by side...would've worked if not for that extra large lip on the nose near the mount plate that wasn't noticed until I tried to install it. Otherwise the only complication was the solenoid on the IH is offset more so it would end up getting closer to the left steering rod and require the careful moving of the left steering ram hydraulics.

Will be trying shortly (as of this post) to swap the nosecone swap with the starter I pulled off my Scout. Had hoped its being only 1 year older than the tractor that it'd be good to go...but nope. Would rather risk messing IT up anyway than a new one. Hopefully the only other changes needed is a connection between the solenoid and the tab going into the starter body...since those will NOT be aligned. Hopefully this band-aid will at work well enough to get the tractor home...after that I can take any amount of time necessary to get it right.

Wish me luck...should know within a half hour if all is a GO or not.

There IS one promising lead however; the only old-fashioned specialty shop in the area that deals with starters//alternators, found a starter out of San Diego...and the images at least match the Massey. Offset and all. So I ordered it...won't cost much more than the IH did.

EDIT: Ok closer to an hour before getting back to here...some other things get in the way. But...THE HYBRID WORKS! A correction about earlier...its just the solenoid itself is offset...not the mount holes. Anyway going to see if can get the tractor going again now.
 
Oookay it didn't start the tractor. Tracked 1st problem down to a mis-wiring of the replacement ignition switch which wasn't energizing the coil. That's fixed. Since the coil was briefly dangling by the coil wire it might have bad connection...or suddenly went bad after having juice for the first time in years (possible though I'd prefer to think the former). Was running out of light to continue. Will check for proper spark tomorrow on the way home from work.

How irritating that the time so far that the tractor was running the "best" was during the initial load attempt despite fuel delivery issue.
But it didn't sound right when cranking.

[b:c072beb783]Don't mean for this question to sound strange but...is the Continental suppose to turn clockwise or counter clockwise (when facing the front of engine)?[/b:c072beb783] It turns clockwise at the moment with the IH starter with the Massey nosecone...didn't bother to check which direction it turned before. I know some engines turn counter and others clockwise. As do some starters which then must be installed with nose-aiming-back or forward to make the engine turn the way it should.
 
NOW WE'RE IN BUSINESS! Was coil coil wire afterall...lost contact when I'd set it aside to dangle. Fires up fine now and should have it home tomorrow.
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But 1st order of repair? [/b:82662e8746]The left lift ram leaks like a sieve from around the rod if the bucket is raised much...this turned up as a seeper on day 1 but has now gotten worse apparently. [b:82662e8746]Hints at all on where//what hydraulics seals are to be found that fit proper? This one is a MUST to fix.[/b:82662e8746] The rest of the loader hydraulics seem fine but I'd rather have the parts on hand for when needed.

The power steering is as stiff as...and no doubt as low as hell as well. But functions with enough muscling for the loading//unloading.
 
I've never taken one of the cylinders apart but I believe they thread apart. You'd likely have to find a hydraulic or machine shop that stocks a selection of packing and seals/orings etc. to get you what you need to rebuild it.
As far as the steering goes, if it's a lot of work to turn the wheels, chances are the power steering isn't working at all. When I got my 202 the power steering had been disconnected. Many of the parts are not available new so you'd have to find a source of used parts. These can get expensive very quickly. I built my own fully hydrostatic power steering for mine running off the loader hydraulics. It works like a charm, one finger steering even loaded with a bucket full of gravel etc. It ended up being less than half the price of rebuilding it with original parts and probably works better.
Glad you got it running, now you can get it home and do some work on it and eventually with it.
 

It's home now...minus 90% of the L/R tire tread...and all but a few cups of what remained in the hydraulics. I'm afraid it left quite the puddle on the trailer when having to hold the control to lift the bucket while loading...and made the pool bigger when unloading as the tire tried its damnedest to make that back corner go off the ramp. Got it off safely though.

The plus side to the leak? WELL...at least a quarter of the trailers planking won't rot anytime soon.

The steering seems like its low more than anything else...since it does have a smooth spot in it. However the first order of business is the bled-like-a-stuck-pig (and then some) lift cylinder. :shock: After unloading during the last 10 feet of backing into the spot it might occupy for the next few months now that I can take my time with it...the loader barely lifted an inch.

The tip threads off which will greatly aid in fixing it...so I only need to pull the pin connecting it to the arm to remove the end.
 

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