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Re: Thermostat removal, MF165

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02-20-2013 04:12:12

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Hi David,

We were indeed seeing smoke from the stack when rolling it over. When we bled out the air, one of us pumped the fuel manually while the other cycles through the primary filter, secondary filter, fuel pump (two ports). We then turned the tractor on the starter motor and bled the four injectors. We went through this again as a double check after it wouldn't start.

My tractor, as luck would have it, is multipower. The multipower function has never worked. I still have hope that it may come around with the new hydraulic oil if I can get it running for a bit. I've never had compression braking on hills, it free wheels and I use the brakes as required. For plowing, usually there is enough ballast from the snow to keep everything under control..... I digress.

I made cursory checks of the linkage and function of both the stop lever (fuel cutoff) and the throttle. Both seemed to be ok..... Ill have a real good look tonight.

I did comment that it didn't sound like it was turning fast enough. I had the charger on the battery to assist. Not sure. Maybe I'll need a battery.

Ill try to start it again tonight. I'll post my results.

Not sure if this makes any sense but normally when the tractors starting I get lots of black smoke and it stinks up the garage pretty good. Last night when rolling over we got cleaner, white smoke out the stack. Maybe this is a result of clean air and fuel??? The old filters were filthy.

Thanks again gentlemen. Have a good day.


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02-20-2013 21:16:37

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 Re: Thermostat removal, MF165 in reply to jwillett2009, 02-20-2013 04:12:12  
White smoke at exhaust means engine is getting fuel but not high enough compression heat to burn properly, due to low compression and/or low cranking speed. 203 is a good starting engine IF compression is in good condition. If you have excessive blowby from vent tube I suspect piston/rings/sleeve damage. Had a 354T recently, too much either had broken all ring lands and rings. It would barely start, but when hydraulic pump kicked in it would die. Blowby fumes looked like it could have been the exhaust pipe, so much air was coming out.

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02-20-2013 09:15:38

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 Re: Thermostat removal, MF165 in reply to jwillett2009, 02-20-2013 04:12:12  
That's bad luck about the Multi-Power. It's worth checking the MP linkage. Follow it from the hand lever to the point where it enters the transmission casing and operate it. It's quite possible that it may have seized or become bent.

Double check and clean all battery connections. Fully charge the battery and use a second battery if you can with heavy jumper leads. Attach the jumper earth clamp to the chassis (starter mounting bolts)to ensure the best possible connection. If you have a block heater you probably will not have a 'thermostart' in the inlet manifold. Might be worth checking. DO avoid using starting fluid (laughing gas) you may do more damage.

David P

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