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Advice for UNSTICKING old bolts on Massey *Spin-Out Rims*

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Vineyard_65

07-28-2011 09:37:05
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I have to change the Wheel spacing on my 1964 Std,MF-65 from 72" to 64" so that it will fit between the vines.

The 4 sided, bolts on the Rim Locks & stops aren't wanting to budge. I've sprayed them every day for week with WD-40 hoping that they will break free. For tools, so far, I've tried:

- 1/2" female pipe plug/square socket (too small)
- several sizes of 6 & 12pt sockets (rounds edge off the bolt)
- 13mm open end wrench (fits well but can't get enough leverage to break these free. makes a nice impression on my hands, though?
- 1/2" open end (too small)
- 9/16" open end (too loose)

Talked to the local tool truck, and they don't sell a 13mm female pipe plug socket. Looked online for bit but didn't see anything.

Massey operators manual show a too kit which came with the tractors, but mine had none. Dealer looked at me like I was nuts when I asked if he could order one....

What have you folks used which worked to loosen/tighten the Rim stop bolt and rim connector bolts which are 4 sided? I'm pretty sure I'm not the 1st guy to try change wheel spacing w/o the MF factory tool.

Many Thanks!
-sb

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pea_grower

08-04-2011 02:50:13
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 Re: Advice for UNSTICKING old bolts on Massey *Spin-Out Rims in reply to Vineyard_65, 07-28-2011 09:37:05  
Just made a tool for the operation. Bought two old sockets (one deep), and welded them together. Took a three-cornered file to knock the rust and burs out of the deep end (it will slide on the square all the way) and put a breakover on the other end. Works pretty good, even with a sloppy welding job.



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Dieselmatic

07-30-2011 09:41:45
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 Re: Advice for UNSTICKING old bolts on Massey *Spin-Out R... in reply to Vineyard_65, 07-28-2011 09:37:05  
Mike in MN has it right, they need to be totally taken apart, cleaned up and put back together with never sieze.



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jogl

07-29-2011 12:26:58
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 Re: Advice for UNSTICKING old bolts on Massey *Spin-Out R... in reply to Vineyard_65, 07-28-2011 09:37:05  
You would, of course, not want to heat the rim. As I said get the BOLTS :roll: good and hot.

The older I get the faster I go for the hot wrench to remove stuck fasteners.

JP.



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300winchester

07-29-2011 10:22:33
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 Re: Advice for UNSTICKING old bolts on Massey *Spin-Out R... in reply to Vineyard_65, 07-28-2011 09:37:05  
Equal mixture of Acetone and ATF



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Mike in Mn.

07-28-2011 20:03:11
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 Re: Advice for UNSTICKING old bolts on Massey *Spin-Out R... in reply to Vineyard_65, 07-28-2011 09:37:05  
Have loosed many, they can be so rusted you will never get them loose on the tractor with a wrench. Take the nuts off all the holders and pry the rim and tire off the center, as was mentioned do not use a torch on a wheel with a tire on it!!! Clamp them in a big vice, remove the snap ring or be careful not to melt it and heat, heat and heat some more, take a blacksmith hammer and drive the pin back and forth some and you will finally get them to move. Clean and lube and reassemble. Do not get too wild with a wrench and cheater, you will twist the square off. If you break them, they are the same as an Allis Chalmers WD, which are way more common and available, only difference the Allis have a hex instead of a square. Chuck 41 might have a factory wrench for sale.

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gbs

07-28-2011 19:28:36
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 Re: Advice for UNSTICKING old bolts on Massey *Spin-Out R... in reply to Vineyard_65, 07-28-2011 09:37:05  
don't try to much force on that square shaft and break it off ,might be hard to replace ,best to remove from rim as suggested before, free up then reinstall



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Phil Tibbetts

07-28-2011 19:13:10
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 Re: Advice for UNSTICKING old bolts on Massey *Spin-Out R... in reply to Vineyard_65, 07-28-2011 09:37:05  
Bolt heads must be buggered up. I got a Craftsman 1/2" square socket at Sears and got them loose on my 180 with a breaker bar. Kano Kroil is the best penetrating oil I have found. If you can give the bolt head a good solid blow or 2 with a hammer it will help break them free.



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Vineyard_65

07-28-2011 21:34:12
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 Re: Advice for UNSTICKING old bolts on Massey *Spin-Out R... in reply to Phil Tibbetts, 07-28-2011 19:13:10  

Thanks Phil,
I'll try a 1/2" pipe plug socket from Sear, but I can tell you that it's really hard to get 1/2" open wrench over the end I'm not petite.

Anyhow, here's pic of the wheel and nuts to make sure we are all talking about the same thing.

There is SOME rust but not a ton. Previous owner had repainted the tractor with rattle cans.

Thanks All!

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jogl

07-28-2011 15:35:26
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 Re: Advice for UNSTICKING old bolts on Massey *Spin-Out R... in reply to Vineyard_65, 07-28-2011 09:37:05  
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I did what Ben suggested. If the square heads of the screws are burred up or rounded you may have to grind or file them back to "squarish".

Before trying to turn them anymore get an oxy acetylene torch and get them red hot first.

JP.



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marloweg

07-28-2011 19:05:27
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 Re: Advice for UNSTICKING old bolts on Massey *Spin-Out R... in reply to jogl, 07-28-2011 15:35:26  
STOP YOU NEVER USE A TOUCH ON WHEELS WITH TIRES ON THEM UNLESS YOU WANT TO DIE {{{{{{THEY CAN AND WILL BLOW UP}}}}}}} check out YouTube on tire blow ups



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Vineyard_65

07-28-2011 23:46:39
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 Re: Advice for UNSTICKING old bolts on Massey *Spin-Out R... in reply to marloweg, 07-28-2011 19:05:27  
Thanks for the warning. I plan to head it. In the mean time I"m soaking the bolts with PB Blaster and hoping to find a socket which will fit, before I have to go nuclear with a torch.



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Mike in Mn.

07-28-2011 20:07:28
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 Re: Advice for UNSTICKING old bolts on Massey *Spin-Out R... in reply to Vineyard_65, 07-28-2011 15:43:33  
Heat will not hurt them!!



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Vineyard_65

07-29-2011 09:03:25
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 Re: Advice for UNSTICKING old bolts on Massey *Spin-Out R... in reply to Mike in Mn., 07-28-2011 20:07:28  
Thanks, Mike,

I don't have have an Oxy Acet setup yet, just mig and propane torch to sweat copper pipes.

Might try propane if the PB Blaster and socket don't do it.

-sb



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Tony in Mass.

07-28-2011 15:03:05
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 Re: Advice for UNSTICKING old bolts on Massey *Spin-Out R... in reply to Vineyard_65, 07-28-2011 09:37:05  
First thought- a carefully aimed acetylene torch. Second- and I don't have any MF's with 'power adjust' but I still have an Allis with them. I don't try the wedge bolt, those are always impossible, so I take the bracket off the wheel center, seems then the wedges will loosen up OK, then reinstall the brackets to the rim further up the square bars.... oh, btw, this really works best if the whole thing is laying flat on the ground... I wouldn't atempt this vertically, sorry. and good luck!

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DiyDave

07-28-2011 17:47:33
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 Re: Advice for UNSTICKING old bolts on Massey *Spin-Out R... in reply to Tony in Mass., 07-28-2011 15:03:05  
Tony is right, his way is the way to do it. Coupla thoughts, use a good penetrating oil, WD 40 is not a penetrating oil. Each individual clamp can be removed, by themselves, if you rotate the clamp, in question, to the top of the rim, and jack to remove pressure. Be sure not to lose the slider that goes between the cam and the rail, as you dis-assemble. These clamps are not threaded, internally, a cam tightens the clamp, you can generally get them started, by hammering carefully, back and forth, on the front and back, with a soft hammer, and oiling frequently. Then lock the clamp in a vise, and try on and off with an air impact. Once you get it moving, pop off the snap ring, and never-sieze the cam, and shaft, and the rail slider. That will keep it moving for the next 50 years, if there isn't any calcium in the rim.

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Steven, Avilla MO

07-28-2011 12:47:57
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 Re: Advice for UNSTICKING old bolts on Massey *Spin-Out R... in reply to Vineyard_65, 07-28-2011 09:37:05  
Mine were stuck too and I like to never got them out. While I had the tires and tubes off I used some heat and got two unstuck. The other one I had to drill out :( I think mine took a regular square socket but it didn"t matter because they wouldn"t budge. I actually broke the head off of one them trying...had to drill that one out too.



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Vineyard_65

07-28-2011 14:02:11
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 Re: Advice for UNSTICKING old bolts on Massey *Spin-Out R... in reply to Steven, Avilla MO, 07-28-2011 12:47:57  
Thanks. Hopefully it won't come to that, but it might.



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marloweg

07-28-2011 12:47:08
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 Re: Advice for UNSTICKING old bolts on Massey *Spin-Out R... in reply to Vineyard_65, 07-28-2011 09:37:05  
WD-40 is crap use some PB blaster or some thing better



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Vineyard_65

07-29-2011 08:25:17
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 Re: Advice for UNSTICKING old bolts on Massey *Spin-Out R... in reply to marloweg, 07-28-2011 12:47:08  
Thanks,
Picked up some PB Blaster last night at Carqest and sprayed the bolt on both sides.

Going to try hit Sears tonight on way home for 1/2"
pipe plug socket. Looks I will need to file the sides to get it fit on.

-sb



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BenAlbert

07-28-2011 10:36:16
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 Re: Advice for UNSTICKING old bolts on Massey *Spin-Out R... in reply to Vineyard_65, 07-28-2011 09:37:05  
Will a 1/2" socket extension fit backwards? If it does, weld a big nut on the other end so you can get a socket on it. I have a factory tool that is like an extension with a square hole on each end. If this doesn't work can you remove the bolts that hold the clamp to the center disk?



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Vineyard_65

07-28-2011 14:03:34
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 Re: Advice for UNSTICKING old bolts on Massey *Spin-Out R... in reply to BenAlbert, 07-28-2011 10:36:16  
Ben, Is there a part # on your "factor tool?"

Many Thanks, -Scott



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Vineyard_65

07-28-2011 11:31:13
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 Re: Advice for UNSTICKING old bolts on Massey *Spin-Out R... in reply to BenAlbert, 07-28-2011 10:36:16  
Hi Ben,
Thanks for the suggestion;

Too bad, the back side of a 1/2" drive socket won't fit. Tried that. I can't remove any 4-sided bolts on the Rims with an open end wrench right now. Could you send me picture of the factory tool so I can send it to different dealer?

Many Thanks,
-sb



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