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Hydraulic Fluid

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Paul007

08-30-2010 16:25:49
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Hi, Mr. Newbie here again.

My local O'Reilly auto parts has their own hydraulic fluid, AW32 or AW46, $40 for 5 gallons. They also have Valvoline tractor fluid at $80 for a fiver. Is the O'Reilly stuff OK to use, and if so which one's best for MF 202 and MF 40 with loaders and backhoe?

Thanks again. Paul




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Paul007

09-04-2010 07:38:33
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 Re: Hydraulic Fluid in reply to Paul007, 08-30-2010 16:25:49  
Thanks Dave and Markus. It's still pretty smooth going form forward to reverse, maybe a little jerk when it kicks in. I will be bringing the 202 I bought out to my property next week and bringing home the 40 for servicing and will have a better handle on it's operation then.



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Paul007

09-02-2010 21:01:40
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 Re: Hydraulic Fluid in reply to Paul007, 08-30-2010 16:25:49  
OK, got it. Thanks Markus. So I'm thinking I can use generic tractor/hydraulic fluid in the backhoe/loader, but must use something that conforms to the MF spec for the trans/diff. Paul



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MKinOntario

09-03-2010 15:17:43
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 Re: Hydraulic Fluid in reply to Paul007, 09-02-2010 21:01:40  
Definitely use Permatran in the trans/diff/3pt reservoir. That instant reverse transmission is cherry while it's working, but parts for it are getting scarce and expensive. I'd change the trans filter too. That way you'll increase your chances of long, trouble free service out of it. Is it still smooth in it's transission from standing to moving? If not, then apparently it's sloppy linkages to the instant reverse valve that are generally the problem. That would require a split between the motor and trans to renew the internal bushings of said linkage. It's important to come to a stop before changing direction. Markus

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135 Fan

09-02-2010 23:22:52
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 Re: Hydraulic Fluid in reply to Paul007, 09-02-2010 21:01:40  
Use MF Perma-Tran especially if you have the instant reverse transmission. A lot of contractors use automatic transmission fluid in hydraulic systems on heavy equipment. It is like a high grade hyd. oil anyway and keeps the same viscosity(10 wt. if I remember right) in wide temperature range. That's what I'd use if the book calls for it. It also helps you see leaks easier because it is red. Dave

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Paul007

09-02-2010 20:07:18
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 Re: Hydraulic Fluid in reply to Paul007, 08-30-2010 16:25:49  
Got my MF40 ops manual today (thanks Chuck). Under Maintenance Instructions it says "Change trans, diff and hydraulic system oil (also torque converter if applicable) after the first 50 hours of operations. All three components (and torque converter if applicable) are served by the same reservoir."

Then on the next page under Lube Specs and Capacities it says:

Backhoe Loader Hydraulic System

12 US Gallons

Use Automatic Transmission Oil Type "A" M1110 (or equivalent)

Instant Reverse Trans, Diff, Torque Converter and Hydraulic System

45 US Quarts

Use Oil Conforming to MF Specifications M-1129A (or Equivalent)

If they all share the same reservoir, how can different fluids be specified?

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MKinOntario

09-02-2010 20:40:47
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 Re: Hydraulic Fluid in reply to Paul007, 09-02-2010 20:07:18  
The trans/diff/hydraulic system refers to the 3pt hydraulic system, if your tractor has it. The backhoe/loader system runs off its own front mounted hydraulic pump with it's own attendant hydraulic reservoir in the right side loader frame. The two are totally separate from each other, however the transmission, differential and 3pt hitch hydraulic system use the same oil in the trans/diff reservoir. The power steering also has it's own independent reservoir and pump. In effect, 3 different hydraulic systems on the one tractor if yours has the 3pt . Markus

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MKinOntario

08-31-2010 19:26:17
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 Re: Hydraulic Fluid in reply to Paul007, 08-30-2010 16:25:49  
I'm pretty sure the manual calls for Permatran in the instant reverse/diff reservoirs. Manual is at the shop, can confirm tomorrow. Markus



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Paul007

08-31-2010 13:57:38
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 Re: Hydraulic Fluid in reply to Paul007, 08-30-2010 16:25:49  
Dave,

I'm needing oil for the loaders. The 202 I believe takes 90w for the trans and diff. I'm still waiting on an ops manual for the MF40, not sure yet what the shuttle trans and diff take in that. So for the loaders, my local O'Reilly Auto Parts has "Premium Tractor Fluid" at $43 and regular "Hydraulic Fluid" at $38. Here is a link, http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/search/Hydraulic+Fluid/N0419/C0139.oap?year=1984&make=Chevrolet&model=C10&vi=1030936

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135 Fan

08-31-2010 23:44:21
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 Re: Hydraulic Fluid in reply to Paul007, 08-31-2010 13:57:38  
I'd say the trans. on the MF40 takes MF Perma-tran and I think it works better than generic tractor fluid. If you have the instant reverse transmission(foot pedals), I would ONLY use what the manual calls for. Dave



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DiyDave

08-31-2010 02:53:50
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 Re: Hydraulic Fluid in reply to Paul007, 08-30-2010 16:25:49  
TSC has UTF for $ 32.99/5gallon pail. I just watched some fool pay 32.00 for a bucket, at auction!



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135 Fan

08-31-2010 13:35:46
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 Re: Hydraulic Fluid in reply to DiyDave, 08-31-2010 02:53:50  
What brand was it at the auction? If it was new and never opened, he didn't really pay too much for it. I've seen stuff sell at auctions for more than you can buy it brand new. Auction doesn't mean it's automatically going to be a good deal. Dave



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DiyDave

09-01-2010 17:36:02
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 Re: Hydraulic Fluid in reply to 135 Fan, 08-31-2010 13:35:46  
It was the tsc stuff, nothing special. I only buy at auction, when it IS a bargain!



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135 Fan

08-30-2010 23:24:15
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 Re: Hydraulic Fluid in reply to Paul007, 08-30-2010 16:25:49  
Do you want it for the hydraulics or transmission? For the trans,/diff. I'd use MF Permatran. For the seperate hydraulics, it won't make much difference. I use TDH oil from Walmart in my Cat with no problems. I had the main hose to the hyd. pump come apart. I needed 60 litres(15 gals.) of hyd. fluid. Dave



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msb

08-30-2010 19:51:25
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 Re: Hydraulic Fluid in reply to Paul007, 08-30-2010 16:25:49  
If it has detergent, anti-scuff and anti-foam additive pack, it is probably just as good as the 80 buck stuff.



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