Deere 45 Hi Lo Diesel repower?

The engine is bad on a friend's 45 Hi Lo combine (Diesel). cylinder head cracked very bad, low compression, etc...

I understood that engine was same than the 1010-2010 and Deere Lanz 700 (all of them do not have very good reputation for their Diesel engines).

Is it possible to put a later Dubuque Engine in it like one from a 2020? What would have to be changed?

Thanks,
Frederic

Well, anything can be done with enough time and money. I'd suggest this to you, though... if your friends hi Lo 45 diesel can be made to run with the correct engine, it'd probably be the only one anywhere.
And while the market for old combines is very limited, it has the potential to be very valuable to the right person.

Thanks,
The combine is in France, so out there we had only Diesels (45,55, 95, only 2 105 square back ever made it, apparently, and one is saved...)
A few old style 55 came with gas engines, but they are really rare.
In Europe, the cylinder head is impossible to find, except maybe from a JDLanz 700, but those are hard to find as well and if they were trashed, it was because of their poor engine. (The tranny then is a 20000hr tranny).The only one he gets a quote for was from McGrew and it is $950. I am not talking about the gigantic cost to ship it out there.

So do you know where to find a cylinder head for a reasonable price? Then maybe I can ship it to him for reasonable cost.


My friend is all up to go original, but a combine is not like a tractor. So engine swap will not be that visible. And he would like to get something that he can get parts for in 20-40 years. The later dubuque engine were made in France as well, so we got a ton of them laying around, and I am wandering is a german built combine like a 530 would just have same engine than a later square back 45.
So then maybe just a flywheel housing from a squareback (less expensive than a cylinder head than will fail on you anyway) and he will be good to go with a much better engine! They were built almost at the same time!

The big thing is that the combine will be run every year to do 15 acres (in European wheat yielding 150-180 BU/ac). So engine has to be good!

If it's a four cylinder Dubuque/Mannheim engine built in Saran France. Any old JD diesel with the starter on the right side and injection pump on the left side should mix and match.

In that case, I'd try to find a very late model 45 square back for parts, one that used the more modern Debuque engine. Then borrow engine mounts, bell housing, air cleaner, radiator, etc, and see what you
can do.

We'd love pictures!

Cylinder head from a JD Lanz tractor will not fit a 45 combine power unit because engine for Lanz is from the 300 series engine family which were built in Dubuque,Mannheim & Saran.

(quoted from post at 04:30:36 05/18/15) Cylinder head from a JD Lanz tractor will not fit a 45 combine power unit because engine for Lanz is from the 300 series engine family which were built in Dubuque,Mannheim & Saran.

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You are uncorrect there!
The first generation JDLanz used the engines from Dubuque. Maybe they were made in Mannheim. They could not have been made in Saran as the factory did not exist yet.
700 was the biggest with the 165 engine, actually exact same as the 45 Hilo Diesel.
Then the 500 and 300 had the smaller 145.
And the small 100 then 200 had a 2 cylinders based on the 4 cylinders 145 or 165. They are many of them for sale with a broken engine…

All those engines were so bad that for example in France, to continue selling tractors (at the same time, the competition was Ford 4000-5000, Massey 35- 65; Someca 411-511; David Brow 990; all tractors that were / are impossible to destroy!) , they assemble the 505 and 303 with the rear end from Mannheim and the Standard Hotchkiss 23C (same as a Massey 35, or Allis Chalmers ED40) engines. Then you got a tractor that will run 15000hrs without overhaul of anything… (I got a 505, he got a lot of abuse, but it still runs and still has all its power…) In Spain in former Lanz factory they made the 515 with same rear end from Mannheim, but with a Perkins engine.

European operations were not as loyal to Deere when it comes to engines. Even later, the 730 combine got a Perkins 6-354 because the 329 was not ready yet, and a derated 404 probably way too expensive.

When the 1020-2020 were released in 1965 in the US, at the same time Mannheim started to assemble the 310-510-710 with the Saran built engines. I do not think that the 300 series were ever made in Germany. Here we got the 20 series tractor in 1967-1968. And the 3120 with 6 cylinders for 1969. Which explain why over there a 3020 side console is nearly impossible to find…

I like the comment about taking parts from an older squareback. That should work. I might do it twice as if I go by a 95HiLo out there with a broken engine, I will not resist to the idea of putting a 359 in it.

Still not certain what engine is in this European 45 combine. Is it the one piece deck design with four sleeves attached to the deck plate? In 145 or 165 cu"? Diesels had a pre-combustion chamber design with glowplugs.
Or the much improved 300 series which has descendents still in production to this very day?

The 45 in question has the sleeve and deck 2010 diesel engine.

Just out of curiosity, which of the 300 series is still being made?

The 74HP 2.4L/179cu" three, 140HP 4.5L/276cu" four and 250HP 6.8L/414cu" six cylinder. All info in top HP versions of the Tier 4 industrial spec.

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You are uncorrect there!
The first generation JDLanz used the engines from Dubuque.

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Thanks for correcting my mistake as I was unaware of the model you referred to.
Jim

So your 45 has a lage flat belt to drive the thresher? If so you have a
145 diesel. The only way to convert to the 300 series engine
(202/219/239) would be to have a donor combine of a later vintage.
The donor combine would need to have a double V belt driving the
thresher which clues us in to it having a 180 (300 series)gas engine.
There would be a whole pile of parts that would have to be swapped.
It wouldn't be fast or easy.

Be aware that you can replace your 145 diesel with a 145 or 165 gas
engine with minimal changes if that makes your search any easier..

My friend found the original head in France, for 300 euros!
Yes she had the sleeve and deck design, glow plugs, and everything... It is an US build combine that was imported over here, as the next generation (Deere 330 to 730) was not ready yet, and the ex-Lanz combines were pretty small to keep up with competition (Massey 400-500, Claas Matador, etc).

For sure he would not want to give away the nice floppy flat belt of those marvelous combines! I will post some pictures later (or he will if he come by...)

Thank you for your ideas anyway!

(quoted from post at 23:32:26 05/19/15) My friend found the original head in France, for 300 euros!
Yes she had the sleeve and deck design, glow plugs, and everything... It is an US build combine that was imported over here, as the next generation (Deere 330 to 730) was not ready yet, and the ex-Lanz combines were pretty small to keep up with competition (Massey 400-500, Claas Matador, etc).

For sure he would not want to give away the nice floppy flat belt of those marvelous combines! I will post some pictures later (or he will if he come by...)

Thank you for your ideas anyway!

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Thanks for the update . Keep us posted on the progress. Don't let anybody near the engine with a can of ether .

Please find pictures of the combine running in 2018. 50 acres to go in 120-150 Bu:ac Durum wheat.
It is the only running combine that he owns for now, but he just got a 95 hilo Diesel that needs repair and that will get done in the next winter.

Thanks for the pictures!

So, he was able to find a used cylinder head and got it running that way?

(quoted from post at 22:44:09 08/02/18) Please find pictures of the combine running in 2018. 50 acres to go in 120-150 Bu:ac Durum wheat.

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Outstanding. Thankyou for the good news and the images . We are pleased to see success.