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4440 brakes enough to haul a dual tandem hay trailer?

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KYpatriot

06-12-2018 05:14:38




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Ok experts I am wanting to mount a hitch ball on my 4440 3 pt so that I can back up to my 35’ dual tandem and pick it up. That way I can drop it in the field, go load it with hay, then pick it up and move it to my hay storage area.
My concern is I have some gently rolling hills here...and that trailer would be 25000 lbs or so, with around 3500 on the ball. Will this be too hard on my tractor brakes? The trailer has a 7 way RV type plug...is there anyway to adapt that to my tractor?
Is this a bad idea, dont wont to tear up my workhorse. But it would be nice to be able to move hay by myself without a truck driver if I need to.

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KYpatriot

06-13-2018 18:14:49




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 Re: 4440 brakes enough to haul a dual tandem hay trailer? in reply to KYpatriot, 06-12-2018 05:14:38  
If there is one thing I cant stand its trespassing nuns in my hay field, especially in buses.



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KYpatriot

06-13-2018 18:12:12




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 Re: 4440 brakes enough to haul a dual tandem hay trailer? in reply to KYpatriot, 06-12-2018 05:14:38  
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If that happens Ill run them over just for being in my field without asking.



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buickanddeere

06-13-2018 15:00:12




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 Re: 4440 brakes enough to haul a dual tandem hay trailer? in reply to KYpatriot, 06-12-2018 05:14:38  
A lot of people mostly concerned if using just the tractor will be " hard on the brakes". How about having brakes on the wagon or trailer to shorten the stopping distance if a bus load of Nuns and orphans suddenly stop in front of your rig.



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Tim S

06-13-2018 15:58:06




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 Re: 4440 brakes enough to haul a dual tandem hay trailer? in reply to buickanddeere, 06-13-2018 15:00:12  
A very good point B&D..



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KYpatriot

06-13-2018 05:56:53




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 Re: 4440 brakes enough to haul a dual tandem hay trailer? in reply to KYpatriot, 06-12-2018 05:14:38  
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Ill look for a brake switch. Thanks!



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KYpatriot

06-12-2018 20:33:38




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 Re: 4440 brakes enough to haul a dual tandem hay trailer? in reply to KYpatriot, 06-12-2018 05:14:38  
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These are brand new brakes, maybe a 100 hours on them so Id hate to warp em.



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KYpatriot

06-12-2018 20:31:27




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 Re: 4440 brakes enough to haul a dual tandem hay trailer? in reply to KYpatriot, 06-12-2018 05:14:38  
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Probably would but I dont have em. It would make it mean for some the narrow gates and barns we use around here.



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KYpatriot

06-12-2018 20:29:45




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 Re: 4440 brakes enough to haul a dual tandem hay trailer? in reply to KYpatriot, 06-12-2018 05:14:38  
Thanks everyone for the tips.
Can I just put a brake controller in it like a truck? Are there instructions somewhere on how to hook up something like that?
I also need to put a wire harness in it so My turn signals work on my baler.



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matthies

06-12-2018 20:53:44




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 Re: 4440 brakes enough to haul a dual tandem hay trailer? in reply to KYpatriot, 06-12-2018 20:29:45  
When you buy a brake controller, they come with instructions. Also jdparts.com shows a brake switch for lights that can be used for the brake controller. If I remember right the controller will have a ground wire black, blue wire goes to trailer, reds the power and white goes to the brake switch I mentioned, then you will need power to the brake switch also.



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451 CUBES

06-12-2018 18:35:49




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 Re: 4440 brakes enough to haul a dual tandem hay trailer? in reply to KYpatriot, 06-12-2018 05:14:38  
On another note, if you are unhooking the trailer, and loading it unhooked, be sure your jack is of adequate strength to take the beating of loading bales on to the trailer while sitting on the jack.



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Brendon-KS

06-12-2018 17:38:06




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 Re: 4440 brakes enough to haul a dual tandem hay trailer? in reply to KYpatriot, 06-12-2018 05:14:38  
Your trailer and tongue weights are less than a 4x4-ft large square baler with a full chamber and most of those are not equipped with brakes. The optional brakes are usually only selected when the baler is to be pulled with a higher speed (25+ mph) tractor.



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craigco

06-12-2018 16:51:37




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 Re: 4440 brakes enough to haul a dual tandem hay trailer? in reply to KYpatriot, 06-12-2018 05:14:38  
When I was in high school worked for a farmer, probably loaded 16 to 18 round bales on a goose neck bale trailer that mounted to a ball on the three point. Used a 4430 never had problems. Iowa hills. Was told to carry the three point low so if the front end popped up you didn't break the rear window with the neck of the trailer.



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craigco

06-12-2018 16:51:13




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 Re: 4440 brakes enough to haul a dual tandem hay trailer? in reply to KYpatriot, 06-12-2018 05:14:38  
When I was in high school worked for a farmer, probably loaded 16 to 18 round bales on a goose neck bale trailer that mounted to a ball on the three point. Used a 4430 never had problems. Iowa hills. Was told to carry the three point low so if the front end popped up you didn't break the rear window with the neck of the trailer.



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IowaJohn

06-12-2018 13:16:26




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 Re: 4440 brakes enough to haul a dual tandem hay trailer? in reply to KYpatriot, 06-12-2018 05:14:38  
I'm thinking duals might be a good idea.



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Tim S

06-12-2018 15:11:53




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 Re: 4440 brakes enough to haul a dual tandem hay trailer? in reply to IowaJohn, 06-12-2018 13:16:26  
I change a lot of brakes,,what happens is when they get warmed up on a down hill run the disc warp to where they look like a disc blade, this takes away about half the working brake surface,,the extra weight and the hills will over whelm your brakes,,same thing happens when you don't use trailer brakes with the pick up towing. It would not take that much to wire in a basic controller along with single/stop lights..

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NY 986

06-12-2018 08:21:46




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 Re: 4440 brakes enough to haul a dual tandem hay trailer? in reply to KYpatriot, 06-12-2018 05:14:38  
25,000 or so gross weight should be no problem. Many forage wagons with 4 or 6 wheel gears w/o brakes or weight transfer handle that much material w/o issue. The neighbor pulled his 12T forage wagon loaded with a 50 hp tractor that included gentle hills. Now if you are calling a hill with a 25 percent slope gentle then we have different ideas on what gentle is.



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Tim S

06-12-2018 09:13:50




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 Re: 4440 brakes enough to haul a dual tandem hay trailer? in reply to NY 986, 06-12-2018 08:21:46  
Put a brake controller in it..



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tomstractorsandtoys

06-12-2018 05:32:03




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 Re: 4440 brakes enough to haul a dual tandem hay trailer? in reply to KYpatriot, 06-12-2018 05:14:38  
It should be fine as there are lots of tractors here pulling forage boxes without brakes that will haul 8-10 loads of corn silage and the weight of the wagon. Just be careful and if you feel to much maybe just put a few less bales on. Tom



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larryanderson

06-13-2018 04:49:58




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 Re: 4440 brakes enough to haul a dual tandem hay trailer? in reply to tomstractorsandtoys, 06-12-2018 05:32:03  
Controller would be best option.I still see many 8000# 4WD pickups pulling around 800+bu gravity boxes weighing 45K+.Being on 3pt helps but still hard on brakes.



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