HyTran in a JD 4055 Pwr Shift

My basic question is can Case-IH HyTran be used in a JD 4055 Pwr Shift?

My neighbor is mostly Case-IH and so has HyTran on hand. He recently bought at auction a JD 4055 Power Shift and would prefer to use one Hydraulic oil on his farm, HyTran. I did find a chart on GreenTalk that gave the additives, HyTran seems to be considered a Zinc-Free oil. The JD HyGuard has Zinc in it and in a separate post a comment was made Zinc is required for the brakes. Also, what about the Power Shift Clutches?

So, can anyone give me some solid direction here? This farmer has been told by others "it all comes out of the same pipe" but did ask me to see if I could find any data suggesting HyTran would not be a good substitute for HyGuard.

Thanks.

Paul

No way would I risk it !

I do think some may run hy-gard in the IH tractors though.

You would really need to find chart for latest version of Hy-Tran. Which is Ultra.or some such. Hy-Tran will absorb water. Water and permaclutch don't play nice
In a 55 15 speed PS I am not sure. But Hy-Gard is cheaper per gallon anyway.

I think they are both high quality products. I know the Hy-Tran is much more expensive than Hy-Guard. I own and operate mostly Deere tractors. I just changed out all the Hy-Guard in all of them last year. The current producer of Hy-Guard is Chevron. I know that as a fact because I found that on the label of a 55 gallon drum I purchased last year. I have no idea who provides Hy-Tran for Case-IH, but I am sure that could be found out with some investigation. The Hy-Guard was considerably less costly as compared to the Hy-Tran I purchased for my IH tractor, which is a 86 Hydro. I do tend to believe in not switching products, particularly if one has been used for a number of years. I am not going to run any risk in changing to another brand of product in the 86 Hydro. The hydrostatic drive works well in that tractor, and if it is not broke, don't fix it! I have read some posts over the years that talked about deterioration of the brakes in JD tractor with lesser fluids, or at least fluids that did not meet the requirements set by Deere. I may have read some about problems with clutch packs, too. Last fall was my chance at changing out all the tractors and their respective fluids, knowing exactly where I am at with respect to service intervals, and getting rid of contamination of any "lesser" or "other brands" of hydraulic fluids in our tractors. I used a lot of oil in doing that, but changing out 6 tractors and starting from scratch gave me a great deal of peace of mind. Having never done this sort of task was very eye opening as well. My plan is to do the same with respect to coolant this coming fall and getting my dad's tractor up to par, too.

Silverado, you are correct. I used to haul oil from Chevron and I hauled JD oil to plants that packaged. It in John Deere buckets and barrels. Hyguard and engine oil. I use mostly Chevron oil in my equipment.

Thanks for the responses. I have done a lot of Google searches but it was tough to find anything really definitive. Opinions and comments vary widely. I did find this additives table. Obviously not all oils are the same. Sorry about the readability but this is what I got. I copied this table out of a discussion forum. I was unable to get to the original table. If anyone knows how to get to it I sure would like to see it and any accompanying discussion.

I have backed into an answer. I found both Coop and Schaeffer (spelling?) brands cross references. They cross HyTran MAT 3505 and HyGard JDM J20C specs. to their own oil, the same oil. Now I don't believe this logic is foolproof but it's a step.

Given the above and the fact that both HyGard and HyTran are good highly respected oils, I plan to put the HyTran in the 4055. I drained the existing oil today, it was a light brown tea/clear like color. In my opinion, for what it's worth, it looked pretty good but I have no idea what brand it is. I'll cut the filters open tomorrow.

Paul

The oil supplier should know if the oil meets both specifications. For the small difference in cost, it would be safest to use what the manufacturer recommends.

wrong oil keeps my shop busy...

(quoted from post at 17:59:40 08/02/17) wrong oil keeps my shop busy...

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Dam tim that was sorta harsh... always some one giving the secret away..

(quoted from post at 19:14:27 08/02/17) Silverado, you are correct. I used to haul oil from Chevron and I hauled JD oil to plants that packaged. It in John Deere buckets and barrels. Hyguard and engine oil. I use mostly Chevron oil in my equipment.

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Does anyone believe that the Chevon motor and trans-hydraulic oil has the exact same composition as the Deere Torque-Gard and the Hy-Gard ?

Viscosity Oil in Willowbrook, illinois makes Hy-Tran for CIH, They have ALWAYS made Hy-Tran since IH first started using it as factory fill back around 1960 or slightly before. IH and Viscosity worked together to create Hy-Tran. Check Viscosity'S website, interesting history.

If you have a tractor with a Torque Amplifier, or an IH built Hydrostatic transmission, you should use Hy-Tran. Hy-Tran has evolved over the last almost 60 years, it's been called Plus, Ultra, and Ultra Action, and Acela, but it still works as well in 450 and 560's as what was available in 1960.

From what I've read on other forums, Hy-Tran works fine in green tractors. But Hy-Tran absorbs 1-2% water from condensation by design, to be able to get the water out to prevent corrosion. And the water content is what causes problems in green tractors.

When it costs upwards of $10,000-$15,000 to replace a transmission why risk it? Why go cheap on oil? I always heard you can't use Hytran in a Deere because of the clutches but you can use Hygard in an IH. I don't know if it applies to CIH too or not.