rick deere
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which has more value in same condition. very useable.
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rick deere
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I would have thought the 3020 would walk off from a 730, weight would make a big difference.
coonie minnie
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I guess it depends on how you determine "value". A 730 would probably bring more money than a 3020, unless the 3020 is a powershift and/or console. Then they might be pretty close.
The 3020 will be handier... which would appeal to someone wanting to make hay or something like that.
The 730 will have more drawbar pull than a 3020. Chopping corn silage in the wet fall of '93, our 3020 would occasionally get stuck with a full forage box. We had a 720 diesel too- and you could back into the the 3020's tracks, shove the forage wagon back a few feet, and then walk that thing right out where the 3020 spun out. It was impressive.
So back to "value." Do you mean price? HP per dollar? Usability per dollar?
The 3020 will be handier... which would appeal to someone wanting to make hay or something like that.
The 730 will have more drawbar pull than a 3020. Chopping corn silage in the wet fall of '93, our 3020 would occasionally get stuck with a full forage box. We had a 720 diesel too- and you could back into the the 3020's tracks, shove the forage wagon back a few feet, and then walk that thing right out where the 3020 spun out. It was impressive.
So back to "value." Do you mean price? HP per dollar? Usability per dollar?
A 730 diesel and early 3020 diesel have the same drawbar horsepower. But anybody that has been around a diesel 730 or any diesel 2 cylinder knows they have a lot better torque and lugging ability then the engines in the 4020 and 3020. I know around here some guys were not impressed by 4010/20s on the drawbar compared to their 830s. For collectability I would take the 730. If I am going to use it everyday then the 3020.
larryanderson
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A nice 3020 side counsel diesel would have more value than a 730 diesel an early one less. I have seen some nice 730D bring over $10/12K. For being handy no comparison the 3020 easy .As far as pulling power the 730D would pull a 5 bottom plow in some conditions and a 3020 would pull a 3/16 .Weight and weight distribution makes some difference but two entirely different tractors. a 630 would be closer.That being said the 3020 270 motor is hard to come by and only used in 3020 but they are very desireable to tractor riders due to being able to go 18MPH vs. 12/14MPH.Of course there are people that think if a tractor has more than 2CYL it is really not a real tractor.
erskine2017
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I had both a 730 and a console 3020. The 3020 was far better in every way. It was more powerful and much more comfortable with a roomy operators platform and handy controls. The only thing better than a console 3020 is a console 4020!
erskine2017
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The only place a 730 would pull a 5 bottom plow is down a level road.
As far as actual value it would come down to the restoration and condition over all..back in the early 70's we had a Late 720 Diesel and an early 3020 Gas Power shift, both pulled F145 3 bottom semi mount plows the 720 would "Spank" that 3020 all day long..but I don't think it would out do a good running 3020 Diesel Sychro Range..
The 3020 should be worth more. But for me it would have to be a 3020 console & on 38" rubber.
We had a 3020 diesel on 30" rubber & we have 2 730 diesels. You cannot beat the economy of a 730
& for us a 730 would out do the 3020 in a pull & we have a wet farm so the 730's are better in
the mud, they will back up far more than a 3020 ever will, but later I ran 3020 on 38" rubber &
it was a whole different animal & I liked if better, but never had the chance to put in all around
conditions. Driver comfort, the 3020 will win, road speed the 3020 will win, plowing the 3020 will
win on our farm. I still believe the 3020 in good shape & a 730 in good shape the 3020 is worth more.
Merton
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This choice would be hard one for me to make. I like different features on each tractor model. I could not vote unless I inspected each tractor. I think the collector value on the 730 has topped out for some time. Early 3020's are worth less than late model 3020's and the late ones holding and adding to their value.
tomstractorsandtoys
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Value wise a late 3020 is worth more than a 730. I had a good 720 diesel when I started farming and was very happy to see it replaced by an early 3020. Run a 720 or 730 all day and you are tired but run a 3020 all day and you will not be nearly as wore out. Tillage work the 730 wins but on about everything else the 3020 is better. A post below talks about a 730 pulling a 5 bottom plow well years ago at a farm sale I bought a 5 bottom 16inch f145 plow that had spent its whole life behind a 3020 diesel.(I knew that plow was not broke or twisted). He did have shale ground that tills very easy. Dad saw a 730 pulling a five bottom 16 inch once and stopped to talk to the owner and that tractor had a turbo mounted on it.Dad talked about pulling a two row forage harvester with his 720 diesel and said he had power but in big corn the rpm's would drop and he could not get the silage over the beaters in the wagon. Lot's of work has been done and is still being done with two cylinders but the comfort and convenience of the 10 and 20 series is hard to beat. Tom
buickanddeere
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The best 3020 was actually the 2520 with the Dubuque diesel and PS.
Hay maker2
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This thread has absolutely nothing to do with a 2520
buickanddeere
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Grumpy grumpy grumpy. The 2510 & 2520 are certainly in the early and side console 3020 family.
erskine2017
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It will! My console had 73 horsepower from the factory.
Yes, pulling capability is relative to soil type. A fact that seems escape members of a certain tractor board. One joker tried saying a 4010 diesel would never pull 5 X16 and even 4 X 16 would be a challenge but if not for 3 tough fields on the home place we would have owned a 5 X 16 and nothing else for our 4010 diesel. If we had ground on the next road over and to the north I would bet we could have pulled 6 X 16 on that sand.
coonie minnie
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My uncle used 6 x 16's behind a turned up 4020 for one season... back in the day when people were content to plow more slowly...
buckeye al
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It all depends on your value set!
I own 70D which I realize is not 730! I understand that but it's not so far from a 730 that I believe I'm completely outta the league in being able to comment! I also own an early 3020 synchro range on the same size rears as the 70D. As many have said, some things the 70 wins, some things the 3020 wins. When it comes to comfort & ease of operation (a thing we naturally value more as age advances) the 3020 very seldom loses to the 70! One example.... I live back a 1/4 mile lane and have pushed snow with an early styled A & an 801 hitch, I've pushed snow with the 70 & the same hitch. I've pushed snow with the 3020. The 3020 is in first place, the 70 in second & I don't really look forward to ever again pushing snow with the A! Doesn't mean any are better than the other because they're quite simply all from different eras each having their benefits and unique character traits. As one example.... none start easier or better than the A! The '43 A being a mag fired hand crank tractor never has a battery so dead as to be unable to reach cranking speed! The 70D can be too dead to start the cranking engine but that's rare! Does not take much battery to crank that little engine! The 3020.... not so hard to get to that point with him but it's still the most valued (by this Buckeye) when it comes to pushin snow!
Value therefore is a funny thing! Reading these replies makes that ever more apparent!
My two coppers fer the day!
Later.
I own 70D which I realize is not 730! I understand that but it's not so far from a 730 that I believe I'm completely outta the league in being able to comment! I also own an early 3020 synchro range on the same size rears as the 70D. As many have said, some things the 70 wins, some things the 3020 wins. When it comes to comfort & ease of operation (a thing we naturally value more as age advances) the 3020 very seldom loses to the 70! One example.... I live back a 1/4 mile lane and have pushed snow with an early styled A & an 801 hitch, I've pushed snow with the 70 & the same hitch. I've pushed snow with the 3020. The 3020 is in first place, the 70 in second & I don't really look forward to ever again pushing snow with the A! Doesn't mean any are better than the other because they're quite simply all from different eras each having their benefits and unique character traits. As one example.... none start easier or better than the A! The '43 A being a mag fired hand crank tractor never has a battery so dead as to be unable to reach cranking speed! The 70D can be too dead to start the cranking engine but that's rare! Does not take much battery to crank that little engine! The 3020.... not so hard to get to that point with him but it's still the most valued (by this Buckeye) when it comes to pushin snow!
Value therefore is a funny thing! Reading these replies makes that ever more apparent!
My two coppers fer the day!
Later.
coonie minnie
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I would tend to agree. They share some parts... but a lot are different. More than you would think.
coonie minnie
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My 2510 seems to be a "cheaper" tractor in a lot of ways I would not have guessed... things like the shifter linkage, the original hydraulic pump, the original drawbar, the oil cooler (just a big tank on the 2510). No starter relay. Small clutch. Small radiator. Small fuel tank. Axles are smaller.
It isn't just a 3020 with a Dubuque engine. They were creative in finding ways to save manufacturing costs.
Not that it is a bad tractor, but don't think it is the equivalent of a 3020.
It isn't just a 3020 with a Dubuque engine. They were creative in finding ways to save manufacturing costs.
Not that it is a bad tractor, but don't think it is the equivalent of a 3020.
Hay maker2
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Like usual, B&D talking out of his.....
tomstractorsandtoys
Well-known Member
No it won't. No 3020 will out pull a 730 unless maybe weighted down heavy and a turbo. Dad had a 720 diesel wide front with a 48 loader and weights. In 1968 he bought a new 4020 with a cab. They hooked the two tractors drawbar to drawbar with a chain and both tractors dug holes in the dirt. They then mover out on the blacktop road and when the clutches were engaged the 720 pulled the new 4020 backwards. The 4020 later had more weight added and the fuel turned up. I have owned several 720-730 diesels and now have 4 early 3020 diesels and even a side console will not out pull a good 720-730 diesel. Tom
buickanddeere
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D- and coonie. The 2510/2520 resembles the 3020 similar as the 4000 resembles the side console 4020. A lot more alike than different.
Hay maker2
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With that being said, the 2010 resembles the rest of the 10/20 series. I bet there's a lot of common parts between them all. Nuts, Bolts, Washers....
buickanddeere
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Now you are just being an a s s
10-20 years ago, around here 730 diesels brought good money, in good shape restored more than the 3020's. Not so much now, most of the old boys that bought new 730's are gone now and they are not as collectable now as they were back then. Father in law had 2 -730's that did pull 5X14 JD 3 point plows. I would prefer a later 3020 over a 730 any day.
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