4640 Front End Weights Installation

Good Afternoon to all. I am going from eight on up to a full set of 20 front end weights on a 4640. I had the shorter bracket for up to 12 and so am installing the longer one for up to the 20 I need. The shorter bracket had 6.5 inch bolts going all the way through front and rear cast but this long bracket attaches only from the back cast so shorter bolts. John Deere says 2 inch long bolts but they also say a washer that is 1/4 inch thick added to the one inch back cast of bracket to penetrate only leaving 3/4 inch into recipient threads. That's four 3/4 inch grade 8 bolts penetrating only 3/4 inch in threads to hold a full ton plus weight bar. I measured carefully not wanting to bottom the bolts out in the hole and there is easily enough additional threads inside and depth to accommodate 3 inch long bolts and not bottom them out before torque is achieved at the heads so I went with 3 inch bolts. I am also adding lock washers not required as per JD with their required thick flat washers. I would have loved to have seen a lip in the bracket cast to go over the front end cast and hold that weight but it is all straight down on the bolts. So now we are looking at 1 3/4 inch of thread on four bolts holding it all. I need to feel secure and wonder of other's experiences with the same or something similar. I cannot say that I have ever known of a weight bar loaded to actually fail but this is a bunch of weight. I am seeing by chart the required torque for 3/4 inch grade 8 bolts at 510 ft. lbs. Is that much really necessary and would it put the softer than hard bolt threads inside at risk along with over stressing the bolts and I wonder about using red thread lock as well. Many thanks, Greg
 
(quoted from post at 21:47:24 01/17/17) Good Afternoon to all. I am going from eight on up to a full set of 20 front end weights on a 4640. I had the shorter bracket for up to 12 and so am installing the longer one for up to the 20 I need. The shorter bracket had 6.5 inch bolts going all the way through front and rear cast but this long bracket attaches only from the back cast so shorter bolts. John Deere says 2 inch long bolts but they also say a washer that is 1/4 inch thick added to the one inch back cast of bracket to penetrate only leaving 3/4 inch into recipient threads. That's four 3/4 inch grade 8 bolts penetrating only 3/4 inch in threads to hold a full ton plus weight bar. I measured carefully not wanting to bottom the bolts out in the hole and there is easily enough additional threads inside and depth to accommodate 3 inch long bolts and not bottom them out before torque is achieved at the heads so I went with 3 inch bolts. I am also adding lock washers not required as per JD with their required thick flat washers. I would have loved to have seen a lip in the bracket cast to go over the front end cast and hold that weight but it is all straight down on the bolts. So now we are looking at 1 3/4 inch of thread on four bolts holding it all. I need to feel secure and wonder of other's experiences with the same or something similar. I cannot say that I have ever known of a weight bar loaded to actually fail but this is a bunch of weight. I am seeing by chart the required torque for 3/4 inch grade 8 bolts at 510 ft. lbs. Is that much really necessary and would it put the softer than hard bolt threads inside at risk along with over stressing the bolts and I wonder about using red thread lock as well. Many thanks, Greg

As long as you have full nut thread engagement your good. Lock washers not needed if bolts have enough stretch length and torqued properly.

Dad lost a set of weights on a 4020 going down the road once. Fun.
 
Sounds like you're doing it right. Better safe than sorry. Dealer I worked at had a customer lose a full set of weights off a 4455 (if I remember the model right). Grade 5 bolts that were loose broke going down the road on a rough bridge approach. FYI a stack of weights still clamped to the bracket will not fit under the mfwd clutch on the bottom of the clutch housing.
 
I don't think I would go as far as to use locktite but would definitley use lock washers. I am like you, 3/4" of thread doesn't sound like enough. Using bolts as long as possible is a good idea. Have never seen or heard of any shearing off or pulling out but you never know. Some of our road are a bit rough in places and occassionally on a bounce can hear the weights lifting and slamming back down but no problems over the years.
 
I am pretty sure that the split lock washer are a weak point on that clamping joint. They will fatigue and broke very quickly if they need to retain the nut, then the bolt would be very loose. Split washer is good for a 5/16 or maybe a 3/8 bolt, not 3/4.

Loctite is better. Spacers with long bolts is the best.
 
Just wondering , do you have the correct side brackets for stacked weights ? The heavy cast(250#)has "lips" that set on the front of the side brackets . Also a bolt going into cast needs 1 1/2 times the diameter for length . Also throw away the lock washers !
 
(quoted from post at 09:30:14 01/18/17) Just wondering , do you have the correct side brackets for stacked weights ? The heavy cast(250#)has "lips" that set on the front of the side brackets . Also a bolt going into cast needs 1 1/2 times the diameter for length . Also throw away the lock washers !
hanks for your reply and to all others who have as well. The bracket is the JD original cast of 30 inches long designed to hold a full set of 20. It has a lip on the front to hold the front hook area of the weights but nothing on the backside that if engineered with one would have nicely held the weight over the front cast on the tractor. Once all hung a long bolt goes through each end into a nut anchoring piece that holds all together pulling to center. Now sure what you mean by the lips on the side brackets. Greg
 

We sell tractor parts! We have the parts you need to repair your tractor - the right parts. Our low prices and years of research make us your best choice when you need parts. Shop Online Today.

Back
Top