hauling a dozer with a 4840

I hired a Mennonite to do some dozing work. He had me come get the dozer with my 4840. They mount a gasoline powered compressor on the front of a pintle hitch trailer for the air brakes. There's a johnny bar on a harness of hoses that goes into the cab in order to have brakes. It was a fair load for the 4840.

The tractor will handle it okay,,having brakes on the trailer will help keeping it all safe..

From the looks of your tracks the trailer brakes must have been dragging.

With the hills of SW WI, the brakes are not a "nice to have", They're a "need to have". I would have smoked the brakes on the tractor without the trailer brakes. The dozer weighs 37,000 lbs, and I imgine the trailer weighs close to another 10,000.

They weren't dragging, it's was just very wet the day I got it home. The trailer tires sunk into the ground a half foot.

Just curious, what is the rating on that trailer?

(quoted from post at 15:46:19 03/27/16) Just curious, what is the rating on that trailer?

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Good question. I just went out and looked it over, but couldn't find a data plate. It's an Eager Beaver 25XPT. a quick lookup online says it's a 50,000 lb payload and a 61,720lb GVW.

Yep. 25 stands for 25 ton or 50,000lb.

Adrian

That is a stout trailer.

That is stout...i thought it was triple singles before i saw it was a triple tandem.

Makes me wonder...what kind of drawbar tongue weight these tractors can handle.

Hope you made out okay on the deal. I don't hire
Mennonite or Amish for 2 reasons. 1.they don't pay
road tax but us the roads,2. They don't carry
insurance..

I have hired the Amish to put up a barn and it was the best contracting experience I have had. Showed up when they said they would, did what they said they would, and worked hard. Couldnt ask for more. Of course, that could be that crew was just excellent.

I didnt know about the insurance. Wonder if its that way around here in ky.

(quoted from post at 19:08:10 03/27/16) Hope you made out okay on the deal. I don't hire
Mennonite or Amish for 2 reasons. 1.they don't pay
road tax but us the roads,2. They don't carry
insurance..

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I was talking with him about the road tax deal a while back. He said that if the state required him to license his buggy, he'd be happy to do it. I'm not saying they'd all be happy about it, but he's a pretty good guy and know he's getting a benefit from having the road and is willing to pay for the benefit.

As far as insurance, they work as a community. If one becomes liable for damages or is injured, the community comes together to help pay. They will not sue someone. I'd call that better insurance than what I carry - paying dues to some large corporation who makes money by denying claims...

I hired Amish from around Hazelton, IA for a couple of house remodeling jobs and to put up a new pole shed. One of the remodeling jobs was so complete that building from scratch would have been no less work. We saved the floor and two exterior walls of the existing ranch house, then put on a second floor. Workmanship was excellent and value, bang for the buck, could not have been beat. They hired a van with driver for transportation to and from work, thus indirectly paid road, gas, tax in the van fee. One of the guys was severely injured during the construction. They passed the hat in the community and paid his bill in full with cash. Same payment method for a new baby born to one of the guys wife during the time of the project. I enjoyed being their "general contractor" and wouldn't hesitate a minute in hiring another Amish crew. We have a lot of Mennonites around the area too. They are pretty progressive, except about pneumatic tires in the field, and license vehicles and drive on public road like the rest of us. We've started buying spring bedding plants from them. Good quality at about one-third the price of the local stores. I took the fan/governor drive box off my model "H" for rebuilding to one of the Mennonite guys who restores tractors. That was a good experience too, even if a bit more pricey than I had hoped for. My "H" wouldn't have pulled that trailer! (See how I stayed on topec?)

I was talking with him about the road tax deal a while back. He said that if the state required him to license his buggy, he'd be happy to do it. I'm not saying they'd all be happy about it, but he's a pretty good guy and know he's getting a benefit from having the road and is willing to pay for the benefit.

As far as insurance, they work as a community. If one becomes liable for damages or is injured, the community comes together to help pay. They will not sue someone. I'd call that better insurance than what I carry - paying dues to some large corporation who makes money by denying claims...

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I don't know about the tax deal either in TN but I know for sure what your saying in the second part is true. A young man fell off building a barn and was taken to the hospital, they only go if it is really bad, and my sister who is a physical therapist went to treat him once he made it back home. The community got together and built a bunch of barns in a short time and all the profit went to the family for his health bills. On a side note there was a little girl who told her she was going to he}} for the way she was dressed and I'm talking 8 years +/-. They definitely have a different way of thinking. They won't socialize with non-minonites but they will take your money.

I think just the tongue weight would have lifted the front end of my H off the ground.

They can pull 6 @ 8row surgar beet lifters, with 150 hp Plus, Deere's, there a lot of weight there also, but Deere makes a drawbar reinforcment for them, that's awesome !!

I bumped that topic back, because coming from Europe, it makes me laugh.
Here you can see a JD4440 hauling a corn trailer down the road, at the scale (you can see in the movie), it registered 37400Kg, which is 84000 Pounds.
The limit here is 44 metric tonnes, but with sugar beets, it is not uncommon to be up to 48 metric tonnes.

On the "French" 4020 to 4955, the hitch is reinforced, with big plates going up to the 3pt support, and there are hydraulic brakes (std after the 4430), that send oil in proportion with the brakes pressure and release as soon as you stop. The pressure was taken on the left hand bleeding port on older tractor. On newer tractor, pressure is taken on both side and there is a "AND" hydraulic valve.
Otherwise, when you are pulling a full trailer and you are in deeps ruts with a 2WD, and you want to turn left and as soon as you hit the brakes, the trailer stops: well, it is no fun...

You will not like the music, I didn't...
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