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Anyone have any experience with the new John Deere Tier 4 engines? Been looking at new 2015 utility models, which are nice, but not sure if people are having troubles with the onboard computers, regeneration process, or particulate filters associated with them.
 

I don't know if or what hour usage particulate filters require replacement but the filter cost around $1500 today for a JD 5045E-5075E. On another thread the poster stated replacement at the 4000-5000 hr range.
 
(quoted from post at 13:12:43 08/23/15) With filter cost that high on diesels I have an idea we are going to see gasoline tractors making a comeback.
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There was a deeply divided snarling session on t r a c t o r b y n e t about the Possibility of DI gassers being used on small light or medium duty hobby, industrial and construction applications. In Countries with Tier IV emissions and where diesel costs more than gasoline.
There was a long line of people certain that because a 4020 diesel was superior to the 4020 gas 43+ years ago. They were positive that in 2015 with Tier IV emissions and expensive diesel fuel. That there is no possible way that any gasoline engine couple be superior to diesel in any application.
They became real huffy when it was mentioned that spark ignition forklifts are beaten all day and survive just fine. Then outrage when a link was posted to the Kubota web site. Where Kubota stated they had bolt in replacement gas engines for applications where Tier IV diesel was more trouble and expense than what they were worth. The final straw was a quote from a Concrete hauler equipment company going to gasoline from the current small diesel line.
 
Hey B and D,

I have one of those Kubotas, it's a natural gas power unit that runs an irrigation well. It's built on a diesel block, with just a different head. It has been Ok. It is difficult to get parts for, and I
probably could have bought a diesel unit for less. Being the well sits right next to a pipeline, the gas company would hook it up for free, and it ran for 53 cents an hour last season on fuel costs is why
it is there.

It is difficult to get parts for, and lacks the torque a diesel would have... although in a well application, that isn't very noticible.

When it comes to bigger stuff, like a skid steer, tractor, etc. I'd take a diesel hands down. You like to bash us for not liking the likes of a 4020 gas, etc, but I did some checking on the Nebraska test
data... and when you compare something like a 4020 gas to a 4020 diesel at light loads the fuel usage was at least 1.5 gal per hour less at 20-40 percent load. That adds up, even for someone using it 100-
200 hours a year in the chores or parade application. Yes you will pay less for a 4020 gas. But you will get less for at sale time, too- even if to the junk yard.

You are entitled to your opinion, but we are, too.
 
(quoted from post at 18:48:43 08/23/15) Hey B and D,

I have one of those Kubotas, it's a natural gas power unit that runs an irrigation well. It's built on a diesel block, with just a different head. It has been Ok. It is difficult to get parts for, and I
probably could have bought a diesel unit for less. Being the well sits right next to a pipeline, the gas company would hook it up for free, and it ran for 53 cents an hour last season on fuel costs is why
it is there.

It is difficult to get parts for, and lacks the torque a diesel would have... although in a well application, that isn't very noticible.

When it comes to bigger stuff, like a skid steer, tractor, etc. I'd take a diesel hands down. You like to bash us for not liking the likes of a 4020 gas, etc, but I did some checking on the Nebraska test
data... and when you compare something like a 4020 gas to a 4020 diesel at light loads the fuel usage was at least 1.5 gal per hour less at 20-40 percent load. That adds up, even for someone using it 100-
200 hours a year in the chores or parade application. Yes you will pay less for a 4020 gas. But you will get less for at sale time, too- even if to the junk yard.

You are entitled to your opinion, but we are, too.
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All depends on the application. O If the year is 1972 with 1972 equipment, 2015 with 1972 equipment or 2015 with 2015 equipment.
 
There's a world of difference in the technology from 40+ years ago. You can get all the power and economy from a new gasser a diesel can't hope to match for decades. It will take that long to come up with a decent system that will make the epa happy if they ever do.

BTW Don't know if it's nationwide but UPS trucks here have dropped the diesel engine and gone to lp.
 
(quoted from post at 13:30:21 08/24/15) Tell me more about these JD Tier 4 engines....
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_emission_standards

https://www.deere.com/en_US/services_and_support/engine-information/emissions-information/emissions-info.page
 
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