410 backhoe Disappearing the coolant and water and steam com

Hello Forks!
I bought John Deere 410 Backhoe recently.
It start the engine very well but the power is so weak and disappearing the 1 or more gallon of coolant less then week.
I do not know where the coolant gose. The engine oil seem to be ok.
Other notice that whenever the engine is running, white gas( I am sure it is white steam)and water comes out from the breather pipe connected to the valve cover. I have cleaned valve cover that had so much algae.
I doubt the head gasket is gone and should be replaced.
If so where I can buy the head gasket set?
Any suggestion?
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Time to tear the engine down. Before the bottom end goes out of it and punches a hole in the block.
A $25.00 oil test kit would have saved you several thousand bucks.

(quoted from post at 22:40:29 05/01/09) Time to tear the engine down. Before the bottom end goes out of it and punches a hole in the block.
A $25.00 oil test kit would have saved you several thousand bucks.

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I have removed head today and been noticed the head gasket is very clean and been replaced recently.
I don’t see any crack on the head. It is so clean head.
I assume that somewhere water jacket in the short block creak and leaking the coolant to the engine oil pan.
Probably the short block has to be replaced.
Any suggestion?

Odds are the wet sleeves are pitted full of pinholes because the previous owners never changed the coolant.
Given the condition of the machine. Check the transmission screen and filter. If they contain metal or grey sludge due to using the wrong oil. or having water in the transmission.
It will be cheaper to scrap the machine rather than rebuild the engine and transmission/brakes.
If re-building the engine. Don't regrind the old valves and seats. That just sinks them which reduces compression and makes the rebuilt engine difficult to start. New valves and seats. Or mill the head to "raise" the seats.
As for sleeve/piston sets. Order the units with the highest compression.
Get the cam and followers re-surfaced. they will be worn with the coolant mixing with the oil.You can't check a cam by eye.
I have a sinking feeling this 410 is going to hurt.
1-800-522-7448 for the engine and tractor manuals. I leafed through CTM4 and there are dozens of hidden items to check or the rebuild will be a flop.

(quoted from post at 10:55:22 05/03/09) Odds are the wet sleeves are pitted full of pinholes because the previous owners never changed the coolant.
Given the condition of the machine. Check the transmission screen and filter. If they contain metal or grey sludge due to using the wrong oil. or having water in the transmission.
It will be cheaper to scrap the machine rather than rebuild the engine and transmission/brakes.
If re-building the engine. Don't regrind the old valves and seats. That just sinks them which reduces compression and makes the rebuilt engine difficult to start. New valves and seats. Or mill the head to "raise" the seats.
As for sleeve/piston sets. Order the units with the highest compression.
Get the cam and followers re-surfaced. they will be worn with the coolant mixing with the oil.You can't check a cam by eye.
I have a sinking feeling this 410 is going to hurt.
1-800-522-7448 for the engine and tractor manuals. I leafed through CTM4 and there are dozens of hidden items to check or the rebuild will be a flop.

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Thank you for high quality advice.
I have noticed the engine oil turning to grey color and almost full in the oil pan when the head removed.
Now, I have to decide what to do.
Yes I have purchased the owner operating, parts and service manuals at the time bought the tractor.
I have replaced transmission filter, screen and hydraulic filter according the manual.
The filter was clean but screen was bad and blocked with some grey sledge. I cleaned and replaced fluid completely.
After that I had test driving. It was moving forward, back ward and all hydraulic booms were working good. It was available to change 1~8 gear and clutch, brakes seem to be working as long as I had to accelerate the engine speed.
The driving was not smooth but I thought that because the engine was weak.
I am not the mechanic and have not much knowledge about rebuilt engine and /or transmission.
If I decide to rebuild the engine, no choice but machine shop has to do it.
Any cost can you give me for?
I understand the cost is depending on the local but need to know general before decide to go north or south.

I am so appreciated your comment and advice.
Thank you
JKK

It's sometimes possible to find a decent running complete engine rather than performing a rebuild.

Here is something worrisome Quote "clutch, brakes seem to be working as long as I had to accelerate the engine speed. " Unquote

Unless there is just a simple and inexpensive leak inside the transmission oil line, relief valve/bypass/divert stuck or a high pressure side leak.
There are $$$ problems in that transmission and/or hydraulic system. In addition to the engine rebuild.

$5000.00+ can disappear pretty fast into an engine job. Depends on the crank and other components conditions.
Just throwing a set of bottom end bearings and a set of sleeves and pistons? Just a wild guess depending.........2 or 3+ thousand bucks?

Is this 410 going to an occasional use hobby machine or something to make a living with?

(quoted from post at 22:06:46 05/03/09) It's sometimes possible to find a decent running complete engine rather than performing a rebuild.

Here is something worrisome Quote "clutch, brakes seem to be working as long as I had to accelerate the engine speed. " Unquote

Unless there is just a simple and inexpensive leak inside the transmission oil line, relief valve/bypass/divert stuck or a high pressure side leak.
There are $$$ problems in that transmission and/or hydraulic system. In addition to the engine rebuild.

$5000.00+ can disappear pretty fast into an engine job. Depends on the crank and other components conditions.
Just throwing a set of bottom end bearings and a set of sleeves and pistons? Just a wild guess depending.........2 or 3+ thousand bucks?

Is this 410 going to an occasional use hobby machine or something to make a living with?

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Yes, the propose to buy it was that occasional use for my ranch digging the pond or septic and remove root etc.
The backhoe is pretty good shape tight pin, bushing etc and no leaking from cylinders.
If possible I really like to save it. But cost of repair is more then $2000 or more then scrap it.
Thank you again for your advice.
JKK

(quoted from post at 10:55:22 05/03/09) Odds are the wet sleeves are pitted full of pinholes because the previous owners never changed the coolant.
Given the condition of the machine. Check the transmission screen and filter. If they contain metal or grey sludge due to using the wrong oil. or having water in the transmission.
It will be cheaper to scrap the machine rather than rebuild the engine and transmission/brakes.
If re-building the engine. Don't regrind the old valves and seats. That just sinks them which reduces compression and makes the rebuilt engine difficult to start. New valves and seats. Or mill the head to "raise" the seats.
As for sleeve/piston sets. Order the units with the highest compression.
Get the cam and followers re-surfaced. they will be worn with the coolant mixing with the oil.You can't check a cam by eye.
I have a sinking feeling this 410 is going to hurt.
1-800-522-7448 for the engine and tractor manuals. I leafed through CTM4 and there are dozens of hidden item
s to check or the rebuild will be a flop.

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Good evening!
I was busy day finding a good mechanic and machine shop.
Finally I found them and willing to overhaul the engine with reasonable labor cost.
He is 15 year experience mechanic and 10 years as lead mechanic at the equipment dealership right now and one of reputed machine shop will rebuilt the head included new valves.
I know you are a good mechanic for tractor.
Would you please give a information where I can buy engine highest compression overhaul kit?
The tractor and engine information as following.

John deere 410D Serial No: 335350
Engine model No: 4219 DT 03 Serial No: 510545T
Thank you so much
JKK

Good day - How did you make out on this engine. I have a similar machine and issue - could you PM or email me with a few details? Thanks
Tom

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(quoted from post at 10:55:22 05/03/09) Odds are the wet sleeves are pitted full of pinholes because the previous owners never changed the coolant.
Given the condition of the machine. Check the transmission screen and filter. If they contain metal or grey sludge due to using the wrong oil. or having water in the transmission.
It will be cheaper to scrap the machine rather than rebuild the engine and transmission/brakes.
If re-building the engine. Don't regrind the old valves and seats. That just sinks them which reduces compression and makes the rebuilt engine difficult to start. New valves and seats. Or mill the head to "raise" the seats.
As for sleeve/piston sets. Order the units with the highest compression.
Get the cam and followers re-surfaced. they will be worn with the coolant mixing with the oil.You can't check a cam by eye.
I have a sinking feeling this 410 is going to hurt.
1-800-522-7448 for the engine and tractor manuals. I leafed through CTM4 and there are dozens of hidden item
s to check or the rebuild will be a flop.

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Good evening!
I was busy day finding a good mechanic and machine shop.
Finally I found them and willing to overhaul the engine with reasonable labor cost.
He is 15 year experience mechanic and 10 years as lead mechanic at the equipment dealership right now and one of reputed machine shop will rebuilt the head included new valves.
I know you are a good mechanic for tractor.
Would you please give a information where I can buy engine highest compression overhaul kit?
The tractor and engine information as following.

John deere 410D Serial No: 335350
Engine model No: 4219 DT 03 Serial No: 510545T
Thank you so much
JKK

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This maybe a situation to look for an agricultural tractor in good condition and transplant the loader and backhoe ? The heavier front axle should transplant as well.
iirc the 410 was pretty much a 2030 and 2440. Any four cylinder Dubuque or Mannheim 30 or 40 series would probably do.
Either way the project can get complicated and expensive in a hurry.

http://jdpc.deere.com/jdpc/servlet/com.deere.u90490.partscatalog.view.servlets.HomePageServlet_Alt

Either these parts sets. If there is no piston spray cooling or the 2nd set of part numbers if the pistons are spray cooled.
Injectors are so low cost now it's just a case of purchasing four and bench testing to ensure the pattern and pop pressure are good.

PISTON LINER KIT
(ENGINES WITHOUT PISTON SPRAY COOLING)
(HIGH PISTONS)
(DIESEL)
Cart KEY PART NO. PART NAME QTY SERIAL NO. REMARKS
1 AR55759 PISTON RING KIT 1
2 AR87736 PISTON 1
3 R116463 CYLINDER LINER 1
4 AR71618 KIT 1
5 RE53322 PISTON-LINER KIT 1

PISTON LINER KIT
(ENGINES WITH PISTON SPRAY COOLING)
(HIGH PISTONS)
(DIESEL)
Cart KEY PART NO. PART NAME QTY SERIAL NO. REMARKS
1 AR55759 PISTON RING KIT 1
2 AR87736 PISTON 1
3 T32343 CYLINDER LINER 1
4 AR71618 KIT 1
5 AR90550 PISTON-LINER KIT 1

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This maybe a situation to look for an agricultural tractor in good condition and transplant the loader and backhoe ? The heavier front axle should transplant as well.
iirc the 410 was pretty much a 2030 and 2440. Any four cylinder Dubuque or Mannheim 30 or 40 series would probably do.

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410 has different hyd pump than ag tractors. My self I'd choose to overhaul engine rather than Southern engineer an ag tractor into resembling an ind tractor.