2510 question

IA Roy

Well-known Member
Any idea why the 2510 wasn't a 2520 from the beginning? From what I can tell it started production the year after the 3010 and 4010 went to 3020 and 4020!
Thanks, Roy
 
That's a good question. It also came out at the same time the 1010, 2010, and 5010 were replaced with the 1020, 2020, and 5020. All were introduced in an ad campaign called "Power Train '66."
 
Here is my guess, and it just a guess. Coming from a marketing background I'm guessing it had something to do with selling more tractors. Say I have product Y. It's good but then I see some changes that could make it better. Little changes. Now I take product Y with its new changes and call it product X. Not only does it add another product to my line, it appears that I'm innovative. Just a guess here, but I would call all in on this hand. Not only did Deere create a great product, they created a great business that is still going today.
 

Why did JD engineers duplicate all the previous model numbers when they introduced the compact & utility tractors? After all there were many unused number combinations that they didn't utilize.
 
I've wondered about that, too. I doubt todays
4320 will be as durable as the first one.

But I guess it wasn't unprecedented... there are
2 820s, and 2 830s in Deere's history. Lord knows
they weren't much alike!
 
Jim : I'm thinking marketing, rather then engineering, someone in marketing, maybe thinking reusing 10 & 20 series New Gen. numbers, would help sell to the urban$-rural(local) consumer & the startup hobby farmer, persons one or two generations off the farm could have a model # [4010, 4320 etc] like there parents/ grandparents had.. Marketing savvy ???
 
2510 was JD's first real ,true 'Hybred'; Dubuque [new design] 4 cyl. engine ; Waterloo chassis, made from mostly 3020 parts ,some leftover 3010,parts. Maybe the 10' was left to appeal to a certain group of farmers,(marketing) Introduced in late 65'for "66" yr. It was made to replace narrow front ,"65" row crop 2010, ;1020 & 2020 [new for late 65' "66" yr.] were not offered narrow front row crop; 2510 was billed a right size tractor for every farm. 1966' was big marketing year for John Deere,4 new tractors billed as "Power Train "66"/ A lot of new equip. including more new 30" row equip. And the new slogan THE LONG GREEN LINE....
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(quoted from post at 12:41:47 02/22/15) Jim : I'm thinking marketing, rather then engineering, someone in marketing, maybe thinking reusing 10 & 20 series New Gen. numbers, would help sell to the urban$-rural(local) consumer & the startup hobby farmer, persons one or two generations off the farm could have a model # [4010, 4320 etc] like there parents/ grandparents had.. Marketing savvy ???

But have you noticed that the 4020 designation wasn't duplicated with a CUT.
 
What parts do you think were 3020/left over 3010 parts?
Front ends don't count.
 
There might be some model designations combinations that JD hadn't used yet but maybe the competition was using some of them. You remember how the old G got its designation?
 
I don't know the answer but if JD would have started with "2520" what would have the replacement called? You could say "2530" but then you have one model that is a series ahead and out of sequence.
 
In answer to Tx Jim.........
They probably figured it doesn't really matter much, as most people with compact tractors don't know their model numbers when the come to the parts counter anyway.....
 
(quoted from post at 17:35:22 02/22/15) I don't know the answer but if JD would have started with "2520" what would have the replacement called? You could say "2530" but then you have one model that is a series ahead and out of sequence.

In my mind it would have made more sense to call it a 2520 from the beginning. But in 69 it would have simply gone to side console like the other 20 series tractors. That makes more sense than coming out with a 10 series during the 20 series run.
 
(quoted from post at 17:35:22 02/22/15) I don't know the answer but if JD would have started with "2520" what would have the replacement called? You could say "2530" but then you have one model that is a series ahead and out of sequence.

I think this is probably the best guess. Like a good chess player, offensive coordinator in football or lawyer Deere is usually looking two or three moves ahead.
 
JD did more then just add the side console to the 2510. Supposedly the 2510 got all the improvements the 3020/4020 did in 1969. But they also enlarged the engine and increase the hp when they went to the 2520. Just like when they replaced the 4010 with the 4020. So if JD was going by recent past history, then a model change was justified.
 
(quoted from post at 18:35:57 02/23/15) JD did more then just add the side console to the 2510. Supposedly the 2510 got all the improvements the 3020/4020 did in 1969. But they also enlarged the engine and increase the hp when they went to the 2520. Just like when they replaced the 4010 with the 4020. So if JD was going by recent past history, then a model change was justified.

So. 4020s changed a lot thru the years but they still called them 4020s. The blocks changed many times. So did the fuel pumps, among other things. The gas engine increased from 340 to 362 ci. Just because you make changes, doesn't mean the model number must also. I like to look at the unit as a whole and to me, that tractor looks like a 20 series tractor and not a 10 series tractor. It doesn't have those goofy 10 series handles or hyd couplers or that dumb ether port hanging on a bracket to the left of the dash. The pto lever is on the right like most 20 series and it has a black dash with a 20 series tach, not a 10 series green dash and 10 series tach. So that is where I'm coming from.
 
No point with arguing with that. By that logic JD should have just stuck with for example the 4630 or 4430 model number all the way into the 90s since the 30 through 55 series all look the same on the outside.
 
(quoted from post at 20:43:16 02/23/15) No point with arguing with that. By that logic JD should have just stuck with for example the 4630 or 4430 model number all the way into the 90s since the 30 through 55 series all look the same on the outside.

Or by the logic they did use, they would have brought out a 'new' 30 series tractor 3 years into the 40 series production. Maybe a 4330 to fit in between the 4240 and 4440 lol. 30-55s don't look too much alike, especially if you look at the cab. But if you cover up the decal on a 2510, I think the majority would say it resembles a 3020 more than a 3010. But on the other hand, this is not the first time JD made odd decisions that left us wondering what they were thinking.
 

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