traded 2950 for 4240s

got rid of the 2950 cah mfwdafter needing to be split three times in13 years. replaced with 4240s gray tractor other than some electrical problems and having ti repair ac when bought been very good tractor. anyone else have one

Ooh yes a good trade...

I can't knock the Mannheim tractors too much as they made a few mortgage payments around here either by working ON them or WITH them! That being said I would prefer the Waterloo in this case.

That's quite a step up , from 85hp Mannheim 359 non-turbo 2950; to 130+hp 466 turbo built Waterloo in 4240s European, that's even 20+hp more than the US 4240.. I always liked the front lights & styling on them.. Is your 4240s MFWD too? Good choice // enjoy it!

yes it's mf wd and the 2950 was but didn't have the power for gettingdown the road with hills and 195 spreader did fine in field work but had trouble with hi lo so only used hi when on road

(quoted from post at 23:36:19 01/20/15) I can't knock the Mannheim tractors too much as they made a few mortgage payments around here either by working ON them or WITH them! That being said I would prefer the Waterloo in this case.

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I was thinking something similar. A 2020,2120,1840 and 2355 carried the bulk of feeding , loader work and light tillage/harvest work. Only tractor that ever had more than oil and filter changes was the gas 2020. At high hours it was re-ringed.

You guys are not seeing the same ones that I am.....and I started working on them from the time they were unloaded new...maybe they don't deal well with Ohio weather....;^(

(quoted from post at 10:08:55 01/21/15) You guys are not seeing the same ones that I am.....and I started working on them from the time they were unloaded new...maybe they don't deal well with Ohio weather....;^(

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Tim
You must remember that b&d thinks JD utility tractor hyd's are as good or better than the rowcrop hyd's from the mid 60's through the early 90's. Little does he know but he'S WRONG!!!!!!

There must have been some differences between the Mannheim and Dubuque tractors from the 20 to mid 40's series.

we had a 2020 with 48 loader but ended up getting bobcat skidloader and jcb backhoe for cleaning barns and feeding. the 2020 had hi lo and seemed to hold up well in that tractor

my favorite tractor is our 4320. we use it for our utility jobs but right know down for inframe

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There must have been some differences between the Mannheim and Dubuque tractors from the 20 to mid 40's series.

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b&d
If you think you can find any hyd differences you refer to between Dubuque & Mannheim built tractors I'm all ears. Good luck and I'll be interested to see if you find anything. As you're aware JDparts.com is available for your research.
Happy hunting,Jim

(quoted from post at 09:13:32 01/21/15) yes it's mf wd and the 2950 was but didn't have the power for gettingdown the road with hills and 195 spreader did fine in field work but had trouble with hi lo so only used hi when on road

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In all honesty, isn't 400+ bushels of manure a bit more than what that tractor was designed for?

Not much different in them, they all shared the basic design of the Dubuque made 2020..

(quoted from post at 16:05:05 01/21/15)

(quoted from post at 14:23:20 01/21/15)
There must have been some differences between the Mannheim and Dubuque tractors from the 20 to mid 40's series.

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b&d
If you think you can find any hyd differences you refer to between Dubuque & Mannheim built tractors I'm all ears. Good luck and I'll be interested to see if you find anything. As you're aware JDparts.com is available for your research.
Happy hunting,Jim

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Maybe the Germans booby trapped the US bound tractors and properly built the Canadian and European tractors? There would still be WWII veterans working into the mid 1980's at Mannheim.

Your probably right. We just had to downshift a few times on
hills. We bought it as a 100 hp tractor and I think it was more
like 70 hp. And we were overworking it. The engine held
together fine but not hi lo

You guys have to remember that Mannheim tractors were designed by Deere for the European market. They farm differently than we do here in America. They use smaller equipment and have multiple operations in a single pass, more pto work than drawbar work. We use one operation and multiple passes, so the equipment is larger and built more for drawbar work than pto. Deere, and every other manufacturer, import tractors from their European, Asian, and Indian markets to fill the smaller hp needs of its customers. It's plain economics. To run down a machine that fails in a task that it wasn't designed for isn't fair. Would you use a crescent wrench to drive nails? Maybe some people would and call it a bad hammer.

(quoted from post at 08:19:09 01/22/15) You guys have to remember that Mannheim tractors were designed by Deere for the European market.

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Are you agreeing with b&d that there are major hyd differences between the Dubuque & Mannheim built tractors?

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(quoted from post at 08:19:09 01/22/15) You guys have to remember that Mannheim tractors were designed by Deere for the European market.

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Are you agreeing with b&d that there are major hyd differences between the Dubuque & Mannheim built tractors?

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If you mean the letter-series Dubuques up until the 10-series, there's a night and day difference. If you mean 20-, 30-, and 40-series, those were what the Mannheim tractors (after the Lanz-based tractors) were probabably based on and refined from there. They do have a lot of similarities, but the Mannheim tractors are further along in evolution. Like a 50-series Waterloo tractor compared to a 10- or 20-series.

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They do have a lot of similarities, but the Mannheim tractors are further along in evolution. Like a 50-series Waterloo tractor compared to a 10- or 20-series.

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Please explain what hydraulic evolution you think the Mannheim utilities have over the Dubuque utilities built from 1965 to 1979?????

(quoted from post at 16:19:30 01/22/15)

(quoted from post at 11:39:12 01/22/15)

They do have a lot of similarities, but the Mannheim tractors are further along in evolution. Like a 50-series Waterloo tractor compared to a 10- or 20-series.

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Please explain what hydraulic evolution you think the Mannheim utilities have over the Dubuque utilities built from 1965 to 1979?????

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A better oil cooler, returning SCV oil to the charge circuit instead of sump, better transmission lube, more hydraulic flow, a filter for the steering system, and more I'm sure. What's nice is that a lot of these improvements found their way back to the Dubuque tractors. Are they exactly the same? No. Are they completely different? No. Think of them as different generations of the same family.
If you have a problem with buickanddeere, take it up with him. Don't try to weasel me into the middle of your fight. If you have a problem with me, let's hear it.

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A better oil cooler, returning SCV oil to the charge circuit instead of sump, better transmission lube, more hydraulic flow, a filter for the steering system, and more I'm sure. What's nice is that a lot of these improvements found their way back to the Dubuque tractors. Are they exactly the same? No. Are they completely different? No. Think of them as different generations of the same family.
If you have a problem with buickanddeere, take it up with him. Don't try to weasel me into the middle of your fight. If you have a problem with me, let's hear it.

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1st as I've stated previously I think information posted on a tractor forum should be CORRECT. I'm not trying to weasel you into the middle of any fight between b&d & I. I think if you ask b&d he will tell you there is no fight between he & I. Yes I question some of his statements. All I was asking is for verification of your statement. Please explain your term of better oil cooler and which Mannheim utility tractors returned scv oil to charge circuit from the factory because I know returning hyd scv oil to ported filter cover was an option. To my knowledge no Dubuque tractor had a filter for the steering system.
Thanks,Jim

All these Dubuque/Mannheim had filtered power steering oil.



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4173 - 1640, 1840, 2040 Tractors ( -429999) European Edition - 11Jun14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4174 - 2040S, 2140 Tractors ( -429999) European Edition - 11Jun14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4175 - 3040, 3140 Tractors ( -429999) European Edition - 11Jun14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4184 - 1640, 2040, 2040S Tractors (430000- ) - 25Jul14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
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4187 - 2350 and 2550 Tractors (North American Edition) - 11Jun14
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4189 - 2950 Tractor (North American Edition) - 25Jul14
4209 - 3050, 3350 Tractors (European Edition) - 11Dec14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4210 - 2650, 2650N, 2850 Tractors (Synchro-Transmission)(European Edition) - 11Dec14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4211 - 2250, 2450 Tractors (Synchro-Transmission)(European Edition) - 11Dec14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4212 - 1550, 1750, 1850, 1850N Tractors (European Edition) - 11Dec14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4214 - 2955 Tractor (s.n. -767516) North American Edition - 11Dec14
4215 - 2755 (GPT) and 2855N Tractors (North American Edition) - 11Dec14
4216 - 2355 and 2555 General Purpose Tractors (North American Edition) - 11Dec14
4224 - 1950, 1950N Tractors (European Editon) - 11Dec14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
5053 - 1640, 2040 Tractors (Built in Spain) - 30Aug01 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
5054 - 2040S, 2140 Tractors (Built in Spain) - 30Aug01 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
5055 - 3140 Tractor (Built in Spain) - 30Aug01 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
5056 - 1840, 1840F Tractors (Built in Spain) - 30Aug01 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
5058 - 3340 Tractor (Built in Spain) - 30Aug01 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
5061 - 2450, 2650, 2850 Tractors (Built in Spain) - 30Aug01 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
5063 - 3150, 3350 Tractors (Built in Spain) - 30Aug01 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
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b&d
Only problem with your list is I think none of the tractors listed where built in Dubuque which is my point. I'm fairly positive no 6 cyl powered utilities were built in Dubuque. What models other than the 2440 & 2640 were built in Dubuque after 1980??

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(quoted from post at 18:06:26 01/22/15)
A better oil cooler, returning SCV oil to the charge circuit instead of sump, better transmission lube, more hydraulic flow, a filter for the steering system, and more I'm sure. What's nice is that a lot of these improvements found their way back to the Dubuque tractors. Are they exactly the same? No. Are they completely different? No. Think of them as different generations of the same family.
If you have a problem with buickanddeere, take it up with him. Don't try to weasel me into the middle of your fight. If you have a problem with me, let's hear it.

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1st as I've stated previously I think information posted on a tractor forum should be CORRECT. I'm not trying to weasel you into the middle of any fight between b&d & I. I think if you ask b&d he will tell you there is no fight between he & I. Yes I question some of his statements. All I was asking is for verification of your statement. Please explain your term of better oil cooler and which Mannheim utility tractors returned scv oil to charge circuit from the factory because I know returning hyd scv oil to ported filter cover was an option. To my knowledge no Dubuque tractor had a filter for the steering system.
Thanks,Jim

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The oil cooler was moved in front of the radiator instead of beside it. They were also made out of aluminum instead of copper. 50- and 55-series with TWO POPPET-style SCVs had the inside valve routed to the return circuit, outside valve to sump. A kit was available to put a directional valve on the outside valve to select whether the oil went to return or to sump. Returning oil to sump was for single-acting cylinders. I thought you used to sell these tractors?

dkattau
All I'm trying to do is get the facts straight.
IIRC the improvements you mentioned were done after JD stopped building agriculture utility tractors in Dubuque. I know 50 & 55 series ag utility tractors were not built in Dubuque. Late model 2440 & 2640's had hyd oil cooler mounted beside radiator very similar to the older models and no steering filter. I think returning scv oil to hyd filter housing was an option not standard equipment on 50 & 55 series.
Thanks,Jim

You can make Irish stew in America,, but the receipt still came from Ireland,,same way with the Dubuque tractors, the receipt was made in Dubuque, and taken to Europe...so they may have added a little to it, but they are still have 2020 DNA...

(quoted from post at 14:43:45 01/23/15) You can make Irish stew in America,, but the receipt still came from Ireland,,same way with the Dubuque tractors, the receipt was made in Dubuque, and taken to Europe...so they may have added a little to it, but they are still have 2020 DNA...

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Tim
Didn't you mean RECIPE instead of RECEIPT??????? :lol:

Do you know what the last ag utility tractor model made in Dubuque??
Thanks,Jim

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All these Dubuque/Mannheim had filtered power steering oil.

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buickanddear
Did you ever determine exactly how many of the models in your list were or weren't built in Dubuque??? I'll take a ""wild guess"" that ZERO of the models listed were built in Dubuque!!!!

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(quoted from post at 22:57:18 01/22/15)
All these Dubuque/Mannheim had filtered power steering oil.

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buickanddear
Did you ever determine exactly how many of the models in your list were or weren't built in Dubuque??? I'll take a ""wild guess"" that ZERO of the models listed were built in Dubuque!!!!

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Sorry Jim, the Germans built a better tractor than the Americans.

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Sorry Jim, the Germans built a better tractor than the Americans.

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My grand parents on one side came from Germany so is it OK if I disagree with you. I take it you have never tried to sort through a wiring schematic on a Mannheim cab tractor?? Wiring schematic closely resembles a spider web after a bad wind storm. That reminds me how "terrible the printed circuit board in the dash"" of your German engineered tractors was.


Opinions resemble NAVELS as everybody got one!!!! :wink: :wink:

Now can we move on from your "Nuclear smoke screen"????

Any one know what or if any ag tractors were built in Dubuque plant after the 2440 & 2640

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(quoted from post at 10:19:15 01/25/15)

Sorry Jim, the Germans built a better tractor than the Americans.

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My grand parents on one side came from Germany so is it OK if I disagree with you. I take it you have never tried to sort through a wiring schematic on a Mannheim cab tractor?? Wiring schematic closely resembles a spider web after a bad wind storm. That reminds me how "terrible the printed circuit board in the dash"" of your German engineered tractors was.


Opinions resemble NAVELS as everybody got one!!!! :wink: :wink:

Now can we move on from your "Nuclear smoke screen"????

Any one know what or if any ag tractors were built in Dubuque plant after the 2440 & 2640

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At the serial number break midway through the 40 series. All agriculture production ended at Dubuque and Mannheim increased production.
Never had a wiring diagram yet that I couldn't sort through.

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Any one know what or if any ag tractors were built in Dubuque plant after the 2440 & 2640

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At the serial number break midway through the 40 series. All agriculture production ended at Dubuque and Mannheim increased production.
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Have you ever seen the sorry printed circuit board I referred to??? PROBABLY NOT

Since ag tractor production ended at Dubuque in about 1980 I fail to see all the Mannheim improvements you allure to.

I never stated I couldn't sort through the WIRING MAZE but I can guarantee you the Waterloo built tractor wiring diagrams are a lot easier to understand & follow.