I know,and I appreciate it,maybe I bought a bad pump in pieces from dealer but I guess they said bring it back to be looked at if it didn't help,might need to run some fluid in the clutch area to prime it I guess might help,till it gets going,i got the time to mess with pump area ,the pump got to be the problem,because now its not pulling it out of the back reservoir like it used to,but could be and I just don't realize it,all I know is I still don't have hydraulics ,im sure ill get to the bottom of it,but when jd told me they gotta pull the cab,thats when I didn't want them to cone get it just yet,till I mess with pump situation further,there is some questions about this new pump I still gotta ask them but im thinking they are growing tired of me asking questions too I wish tim would come see tractor and id pay him to get me going too but its a couple hundred miles away,hell he could stay at the farm over night if he wanted also,i was told by jd that if this pump was not functioning they sold me to bring all parts back so I am,then going to let one of their mechanics open it and put it back together for me,i know what im doing with it but they might have the right touch,this pump was all new to me when I met it,you all might remember me for having the 7020 with triples and the problem I had one time with the rear pump breaking is why I was quik to wonder if the 8630 could have done it too,but I listened to u guys and didn't pull the rockshaft because like you all said,fluid was coming out of the rear and storing in the front,and I seen that,now nothing was in the front,but also has fluid in the rear,ill try again with the pump,i had just too many other things I had to do for a couple of weeks and found time over the weekend to mess with it ,but yeah,im going to get this thing going guys,i just needed someone looking over my shoulder,and I like that,ill keep you informed too,till next weekend im going to let deere assemble the pump I did buy in pieces maybe theres something im not seeing,like tim said,you cant see the wear in it,but its there to make it not pick up oil,or pump it,it is easy to change in n out now,and while I got tractor sitting all way to right im going to leave it till I get pump that I bought back apart,looked at,then reassembled its a puzzle,everything goes in one way,the right way and no way else,ttyl bob n tim