JD 2010 compared to Farmall Super M ?

michaelr

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It appears that a loaded John Deere 2010 with live pto, 3 point, power steering, single remote is quite a machine. 40 horsepower, 1,100 psi live hydraulic pressure at 12 gpm. Looks like it would be a better choice than a loaded Super M? I am wanting a loader tractor primarily, but also a chore tractor to put a back blade on, and perhaps pull a small bush hog. I have always been a farmall guy, but the 2010 has me thinking it is a wiser choice for a chore tractor. Thoughts?
 
I love my John Deere's but I would choose the Farmall M over a 2010, they are one of Deere's major mistakes...and my apologizes now for any one who likes them...
 
Appreciate the feedback. What are their problem areas, if a fella were to go test drive one, what to pay attention to? Trust me, the farmalls are tempting, just curious if I found a tight 2010 if it would work out.
 
I would pass on the 2010, they do have some strange issues, and some parts are rare...what will you be using the loader tractor for??
 
I would assume you are trying to choose between to similarly priced tractors ? Any Deere other than a 2010 or a diesel 1010.
Be glad you asked here first. We keep having disappointed new owners of 2010's here wondering why all the problems.
When speaking with the 2010 vender. Ask him why he would go and try to do a nasty thing like dumping a 2010 on you.
 
1010 and 2010 Deere wheel tractors were pretty much disasters. Poor design and even poorer parts support. 1010 and 2010 crawlers, on the other hand were pretty good machines. If you want an older tractor that size in a Deere - do yourself a favor and get a Dubuque/Manheim design like a 2020, or a Waterloo-Dubuque hybrid like a 2510. Night and day difference when compared to a 1010 or 2010 wheel tractor. Or if you want cheap - buy a British IH like a 424, 444, etc. Great machines.
 
One thing to think about, A lot of people say the 2010 was JD biggest mistake. I don't own one (I have a 1010) but I say if a tractor has lasted 50 years or so, It can't be all that bad of a mistake. Does to super m have power steering? wide front? 3 pth? these are all things you will need to do what you say you want to do.
 
You do raise a good point. Many are still running around. Parts are harder to come by. No aftermarket parts or darn little.
And I always thought Deere hired Farmall designers to engineer them. They have many things in common with them like steering shaft running thru the radiator and fuel tank and poor brakes.
 
Yes there is an old guy below me that has had one for ever and loves it,,but it sets around most of the time and has very few hours on it,,when Deere made the jump from 2 cyl's to the New Gen some things were not thought through well,,but I keep in mind that it was a "Major" change in venue...I believe it was probably the most radical change that was ever made in a machinery line...and it did shoot Deere into the head of the pack...
 
My dad bought a new 2010 diesel #63019 back in 1965.It was kind of like owning a boat... 2 happy days... the day he bought it and the day he sold it. Trouble was, there were 10 years in between those 2 days. Glow plugs always messing up... tendency to run hot... hydraulic problems... 3 foot long pto lever snapped off in my hand TWICE, tractor had to be cut in two to fix... big springs that held the lower arms up had a tendency to break. Did a fine job with 3-14's on the 3 pt. Did fine with a 7 ft brush hog in corn stalks... dug peanuts with a 2-row digger...

I would like to think that after 50 years all the lemons (including ours) are in the junkyard any 2010 diesels left in service should be one of the good ones.

One showed up at an annual local equipment auction and was a no-sale at $2200. Brought it back the next year and let it go for $2000. I noticed one of the big springs was missing.
 
I have a 1965 John Deere 2010 that my father bought in 1970. It has been a very good tractor over the years and we have not had hardly any issues with it. Now I bleed green and probably woudl faint if I seen red blood, but I would honestly take the Farmall Super M even thou I have never been on one. The reason being is that the parts are getting scares. Alot of them have been discontiued, look for a radiator or the sleeve and deck and your eyes will open right up. The PTO is junk, it is hard to engage and grinds no matter what. I am in the porcess of rebuilding mine as I type. You mentioned that you would use it as a loader tractor, the hydrualics do not have enough capacity or pressure...Run dont walk...
 
Tim, I think Waterloo did a pretty good job of making the transition. Dubuque stubbed it's collective toe. I imagine Waterloo got most of the time and money for designing and testing. Dubuque finally realized their misstep, even after repeated updates on the 1010/2010 and came out with the 20 series (which had Waterloo design help, by the way). They were much more successful. Mike
 
Ooh yes Mike,, when you think about all that had to be done for the change and back then it had to be hammered out and actually tried to test, no design computer programs back then. Deere started testing the new Ideas in the early 50's, I have seen pictures of 2 cylinder designs with V6's and V4's in them, the first thoughts on the 3010/4010's were with v engines, the primary reason for not going with that design was the mounted corn picker..there are some crazy ideas that were spinning back then...
 
A new generation (60s) JD is going to be much handier than a letter series Farmall. They are really a generation ahead.
 
I have read all the 2010 bashing on here before. Just want to say I had a 2010 gas that I bought used for 15 years - power steering, LPTO, 3 point, etc. NEVER had any problems with it, it was my "big" tractor on my small farm, did everything with it. (Also had a Farmall H)It sold at my auction for more than I paid for it!
 

I think their main reason for trying out the V4 and V6 was to offer something unique, like they had for 35 years with the two cylinders.
 

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