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Re: What's the story on 4030s?

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12-14-2013 07:57:37
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A lot of answering your own questions going on.
I never knew anyone who tried to compare a 4030 to a 4020.
You're not going to tear up the tractor from "heavy wagon pulling". That would have more to do with tractor weight. Of course speed would be limited by power.
I was always amazed about the guys who liked synchros in 3020, 4020, 4620 etc. but wouldn't consider one in 30 series tractors. There are several jobs that synchros are better than quads. Plus that is one less thing to worry about going bad in an old tractor.
Changing antifreeze each year helped with the cavitation problem but again an old tractor might already have cavitation.
As far as 4030 problems there were several that broke the fronts of the transmission cases. I don't know the cause but there were more that didn't.
My biggest objection was AC on top of engine instead of the side.

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Wilamayb

12-14-2013 09:21:46
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 Re: What's the story on 4030s? in reply to D-, 12-14-2013 07:57:37  
I wouldn't consider the synchro in the 30 series because the console shifter for the synchro was a malfunction. The dash shifter on the 20 series was great but something terrible happened when it was moved to the console. Even with few hours gear cross-up was a real problem for the console synchro shifter with a driver who wasn't a JD synchro guru.



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mrslesq

12-14-2013 15:07:48
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 Re: What's the story on 4030s? in reply to Wilamayb, 12-14-2013 09:21:46  
A friend and his father bought an early 4430 with a syncro range transmission. The syncro worked fine in my opinion, except one fall I had a heck of a time shifting it, so one day I oiled the crap out of the shifter (an open station with a roll bar) and it worked great again. He agreed it shifted vastly better, but then he chewed me out because some of the oil leaked out on the axle.



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rockyridgefarm

12-14-2013 08:56:18
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 Re: What's the story on 4030s? in reply to D-, 12-14-2013 07:57:37  
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Name a job where a synchro is better'n a quad. A synchro is a good transmission. A Quad is a synchro with an extra clutch pack, giving the tractor twice as many speed options. There are no jobs a synchro can do better.
You are right that it's one less thing to go wrong on a 30 plus year old tractor. Still, the quad range is more useful.

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tomstractorsandtoys

12-14-2013 18:45:32
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 Re: What's the story on 4030s? in reply to rockyridgefarm, 12-14-2013 08:56:18  
I have to disagree. I have a dozen synco tractors and bought a 4230 with a quad and I have to say I hate that shifter. I would much sooner run a syncro.But I do love the sound guard cab with heat and air.I wanted a 4030 when I found this low hour 4230.For what you want you will like a 4030.



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12-14-2013 13:39:25
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 Re: What's the story on 4030s? in reply to rockyridgefarm, 12-14-2013 08:56:18  
Loader work. Any other work where you have to open gates getting in and out. Only one stick to contend with. Quads are better suited for field work where you can benefit from more speeds.



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rockyridgefarm

12-14-2013 16:23:52
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 Re: What's the story on 4030s? in reply to D-, 12-14-2013 13:39:25  
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Setting aside the fact that a skid steer is far better for loader work in most situations, the quad range is still better (though not as good as a power shift). The Synchro pretty much allows you two gearing options forward and reverse(3, 1r and 5, 2r) with one clutching. The quad gives you three ranges with two gears for one clutching (a1, a2, a1r, a2r, b1, b2, b1r, b2r, c1, c2, c1r, c2r), and faster shifting between ranges. The extra 2 seconds it takes to shift a quad into park is well worth having the ability to go a bit faster in the field with the option to drop a gear when the going gets tough.

There's only 1 reason to by a synchro range in a 30 series - they're cheaper.

We're gonna have to just disagree on this one.

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Tim S

12-14-2013 09:05:10
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 Re: What's the story on 4030s? in reply to rockyridgefarm, 12-14-2013 08:56:18  
I agree with you rockyridgefarm, the extra speeds make for a nice way to deal with different jobs,, and the High/low planetary gives very little problems,, even after 30 years or so of service,, I rarely have one in here for a failure in that area,,when they were offered it was a bit cheaper on the invoice,,and at that time a lot of old Farmers were apprehensive about a hydraulic shift, due in part to all the bad publicity of the old Ford power shift nightmares...

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12-14-2013 13:56:58
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 Re: What's the story on 4030s? in reply to Tim S, 12-14-2013 09:05:10  
You mean select-o-matic? That fear should have been eliminated by Deere's power shift long before 30 series tractors. They might have been fearful because of IHs TA.
I have had to redo several hi-lo units over the years. Tho not as serious a fix the most common problem was that Mickey Mouse clamp on the side.
Price seemed to be the biggest incentive for synchros. You see more in the South than here.
They still are handier for loader work and barn lot work where you have to get on and off than having to work with two sticks.

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Tim S

12-14-2013 08:17:38
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 Re: What's the story on 4030s? in reply to D-, 12-14-2013 07:57:37  
Yes the AC compressor was mounted in a flimsy way,, it was just part of the Dubuque design,, that part of the John Deere Company was not in tune with the better ideas of the Waterloo division..Unfortunately...



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12-14-2013 14:07:10
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 Re: What's the story on 4030s? in reply to Tim S, 12-14-2013 08:17:38  
You are right there. I was never a Dubuque fan. They were not as good in the two cylinder days or anytime since.



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