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Re: What's the story on 4030s?

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islandgreen

12-14-2013 06:19:42
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I have a 4030 with over 12000 hrs on it.It has been an excellent tractor.The biggest problem with them was cavitation of sleves.If antifrese was kept changed with additive you had no problem. Over all an excellent tractor. Lloyd




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Tim S

12-14-2013 07:43:54
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 Re: What's the story on 4030s? in reply to islandgreen, 12-14-2013 06:19:42  
Cavitation is a common problem, and there are many different ideas on the control of it,, and just as many out comes, The 4030's were a bit light in the frame rails, and this was only a problem when they had a loader mounted on them, where they bolted to the clutch housing was not a good idea along with that style engine not having side frame bolt bosses in them, the engines were fine, the drive lines were fine,, a very good "light" duty tractor,, and just because the "looked" like their bigger brothers did not mean that they would preform the same tasks,, they are much better than the troublesome utility tractors that were produced at the same time. The 4030's were a very good chore tractor, and great for hay operations, we sold a lot of them at our old dealership, and most of them are still around here, preforming the same duty as they have since the day I unloaded them off the delivery truck.

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Texasmark1

12-14-2013 06:29:08
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 Re: What's the story on 4030s? in reply to islandgreen, 12-14-2013 06:19:42  
Additive is at the JD house in a pint. Directions are on the back. Seems you need to use the right amount, not too little and not too much. Seems too much is as bad as too little.

I use it in all my tractors even though all are diesels and none are sleeved.

Mark



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Tx Jim

12-14-2013 06:59:26
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 Re: What's the story on 4030s? in reply to Texasmark1, 12-14-2013 06:29:08  
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Ford tractors don't have sleeves and are prone to cyl wall cavitation. I own a Ford tractor that had a crate motor in when I bought due to cavitation.



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Texasmark1

12-14-2013 15:00:30
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 Re: What's the story on 4030s? in reply to Tx Jim, 12-14-2013 06:59:26  
That was a question I had for a long time and never got an answer. Was it due to sleeves, long hours/thousands of miles for OTR trucks, or nature of the diesel engine? Never heard about it with gassers. So for a non-sleeved diesel vs a non-sleeved gasser, how does the cooling system know what kind of fuel is used?

Answer: I think someone said something about it being compression related. Well with no back up to the blerb from that respondent, just mind telling me how the cooling system knows that the compression is 16:1 rather than 7:1? Sounds like some more old wives tales or coffee shop BS from the local know it all self appointed point of information. If you disagree that he knows it all, just ask him. Have one of them next door.

Mark

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D-

12-15-2013 06:46:20
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 Re: What's the story on 4030s? in reply to Texasmark1, 12-14-2013 15:00:30  
One observation. The cavitation seems to always be on the same side of the block. Early 4020 blocks had very little cavitation problems. Later 4020 blocks were narrowed and had more cavitation on that side. Usually gases are smaller bore than diesel engines with the same sized block.
Then with 466 engines even less coolant area on that side and much more cavitation problems.
With 300 series the 219 seemed to be much worse than the 202.
Just seems less coolant area might have something to do with the cavitation. Maybe as much as all the theories you've heard.

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buickanddeere

12-15-2013 10:50:03
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 Re: What's the story on 4030s? in reply to D-, 12-15-2013 06:46:20  
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If owners and operators would read and follow the operator's manual. Then test and change/add additive as instructed. There would be far fewer sleeve failures.



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Tx Jim

12-15-2013 11:39:08
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 Re: What's the story on 4030s? in reply to buickanddeere, 12-15-2013 10:50:03  
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b&d

Most customers I sold new equipment to back when I worked for a JD dealer never read the operators manual.



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Tim S

12-15-2013 12:22:11
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 Re: What's the story on 4030s? in reply to Tx Jim, 12-15-2013 11:39:08  
Back in the 70's I had a new 4230 open station come in for a bad fuel gauge, the customer pulled it into the shop, and got off of it,, I got on and pulled the lever to tilt the steer wheel out of the way and he looked at me in amazement and said "How did you do that",, I showed him the latch and how it worked,, and he said I always thought that wheel was too low but didn't know it was adjustable....He ran it all summer that way....

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Tim S

12-15-2013 08:46:29
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 Re: What's the story on 4030s? in reply to D-, 12-15-2013 06:46:20  
That is a correct theory,, and the thicker liners made it take longer for them to erode,,yes it always seems like the one ,and same side of the liners take more of a beating,,seems like the front side, even tho the water is inducted through the left side of the block.



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