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Re: 4430 shutting down

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Tim S

02-27-2013 05:00:52
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You have at least "2" problems going on, 1 is why is it shutting down, nothing electrical will shut a 4430 down, my guess is a fuel problem. 2 Why won't it crank the engine on a re-start,possible bad safety switch circuit,safety switch it's self,starter relay on fire wall failing,starter it's self failing, or battery/connections. You will need to work through these possibility's one at a time to prove and eliminate them till you get to the "one" that is causing each of your 2 problems. To eliminate the safety circuit jump the top starter terminal to the rear small terminal, and "be sure it is in Park first",if nothing happens see if you have any battery power to the starter, a Hillbilly way of checking this is shorting a large screw driver from the top terminal of the starter to the engine block, Be careful again if it has any power it will be like a welder arcing,,if nothing yet prove you battery and connections. When you are on top of the re-start issue and it will not start with the motor turning strong, Then see if you have fuel at the injection pump inlet.

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JamesW308

03-11-2013 08:11:46
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 Re: 4430 shutting down in reply to Tim S, 02-27-2013 05:00:52  
Hello Tim & Jim,
We got the tractor running, found a loose fuse knocking power to the fuel pump sellinoid. Ran it for over an hour, then turned the key off and tried to refire, nothing happened. Refired it the hillbilly way. Would a relay getting heated up or going bad cause this problem. After the tractor sits an hour or so, it starts like a new one.
Thanks again for yalls input.



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Tim S

03-11-2013 08:43:39
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 Re: 4430 shutting down in reply to JamesW308, 03-11-2013 08:11:46  
It's not normal for a 4430 to have an electric shut off,,,they were all cable pull,,I'm wondering what you have going on there????,,maybe a Murphy shut down system is on it ??? Just kinda curious about it...



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JamesW308

03-11-2013 09:47:49
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 Re: 4430 shutting down in reply to Tim S, 03-11-2013 08:43:39  
Hey again Jim & Tim

I bought this tractor used and apparently the previous owner/s have used other models parts thru the years. This is actually a 4400 instead of a 4430. Sorry for the confusion, Does this better explain the way this things acting and and possible solutition.
Thanks again.



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Tx Jim

03-11-2013 10:40:51
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 Re: 4430 shutting down in reply to JamesW308, 03-11-2013 09:47:49  
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Oh yes as you have a CUT with a 100 cid engine @ 29 pto hp instead of a tractor with a 404 cid engine with 125 pto hp. You are correct your tractors fuel is controlled by an elect solenoid.



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Tim S

03-11-2013 10:36:38
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 Re: 4430 shutting down in reply to JamesW308, 03-11-2013 09:47:49  
Ooh my yes,,a "BIG" difference...We were all scratching our heads trying to figure out what you had going on there. The fuel shut off solenoid is a trouble spot for a 4400 they get oil on the back side of the shut off plunger and causes problems like you have...you will need to change out the shut off solenoid..



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JamesW308

03-11-2013 12:00:57
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 Re: 4430 shutting down in reply to Tim S, 03-11-2013 10:36:38  
A-Ok, Ill change it out and let ya know.

Thanks



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Tx Jim

03-11-2013 09:17:02
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 Re: 4430 shutting down in reply to Tim S, 03-11-2013 08:43:39  
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I agree with you Tim. I'd like to see a photo of the electric fuel control on a 4430.



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Tx Jim

02-27-2013 05:43:00
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 Re: 4430 shutting down in reply to Tim S, 02-27-2013 05:00:52  
To add to what Tim stated there's a starter relay on firewall under the hood similar to one in the photo(depending on tractor SN) that could be the electrical problem. They've been know to loose their ground or battery connection. On the fuel part of problem you need to check that you have "good fuel flow" from tank to inj pump.



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